2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Draft Needs

(1) Offensive Guard

(2) Wide Receiver

(3) Linebacker

(4) Nose Tackle

(5) Safety

The Saints will not be drafting a receiver higher than the 3rd Round. Coach is adamant on fixing the defense.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

The Saints will not be drafting a receiver higher than the 3rd Round. Coach is adamant on fixing the defense.

Maybe fixing the coaching will go a long ways...

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Maybe fixing the coaching will go a long ways...

Who would you get to Coach The Saints? Before we got Sean Payton the team was a joke of a franchise. You can't possibly be serious with this statement.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Who would you get to Coach The Saints? Before we got Sean Payton the team was a joke of a franchise. You can't possibly be serious with this statement.

Well, would you say Rob Ryan was the answer to implementing and running the defense?

Think most people on this site would agree as I've said that Payton is Bill Walsh reincarnate...

...but when it comes to defense, there's no potato to go with the steak...

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, would you say Rob Ryan was the answer to implementing and running the defense?

Think most people on this site would agree as I've said that Payton is Bill Walsh reincarnate...

...but when it comes to defense, there's no potato to go with the steak...

Let me ask you'this, where was this criticism in 2013 when The Saints Finished with the #4 ranked defense in all of football? Rob Ryan didn't get dumb overnight but he did lose some of his best players. Remember in 2013 we ran a 3 Safety Group with Vaccaro, Harper and Jenkins. We got rid of both Harper and Jenkins for Byrd and Bush and now we're paying a steep price. Like I said when evaluating talent, don't overlook production. When had a Good Defense and took it apart. If we think Dennis Allen will get super results himself, we are surely mistaken.

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Let me ask you'this, where was this criticism in 2013 when The Saints Finished with the #4 ranked defense in all of football? Rob Ryan didn't get dumb overnight but he did lose some of his best players. Remember in 2013 we ran a 3 Safety Group with Vaccaro, Harper and Jenkins. We got rid of both Harper and Jenkins for Byrd and Bush and now we're paying a steep price. Like I said when evaluating talent, don't overlook production. When had a Good Defense and took it apart. If we think Dennis Allen will get super results himself, we are surely mistaken.

I have beaten that Rob Ryan issue to death. Started before the ink dried on the contract. So moving on

FA? 1 Byrd does not equal a Harper and a Jenkins. The saints not getting a SS to maximize that investment still amazes me. Kenny was never and probably will never be that SS.

In regards to FA, as in college, you have to the system they came out of, the players they played with and the division they played in. In Byrds case he played in the AFC East which had more starting QB turnover than probably any division in the NFL. Add in the NFL driven media over hype and the numbers he posted makes one wonder if any true scouting was done or was the was the scouting done on the toilet reading ESPN the magazine. Doubling up on ones stinky vapor intake is not the smartest move. Once i saw those contract numbers I was not a fan at all.

Back to the round peg square hole issue in the draft.

My #1 draft concern is the Spread offensive and defensive players.

Your right looking good and yet being fundamentally unsound at the college level is a warning sign IMO. The kid just does not get it or there is some serious work to do with kid before you even start trying to refine their game for the pro level.

Upside, hype, bag full of dreams and long extended toilet breaks do not always work out. Especially when you over look the system and the the conferences they played in.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Let me ask you'this, where was this criticism in 2013 when The Saints Finished with the #4 ranked defense in all of football? Rob Ryan didn't get dumb overnight but he did lose some of his best players. Remember in 2013 we ran a 3 Safety Group with Vaccaro, Harper and Jenkins. We got rid of both Harper and Jenkins for Byrd and Bush and now we're paying a steep price. Like I said when evaluating talent, don't overlook production. When had a Good Defense and took it apart. If we think Dennis Allen will get super results himself, we are surely mistaken.

The third safety was essentially that fast outside linebacker that could cover...Now who made that decision to get away from that made this team dumb overnight...whoever signed off or advocated for the Byrd signing (which many Buffalo fans laughed upon his FA signing) knowing his fragility, made this team dumb overnight...

And, as a matter of record, several here did voice concerns when Ryan was hired and after Ryan's first season...

[hagan714]

The 2016 Senior Bowl is this weekend

Senior Bowl Practices

Tuesday:
Player weigh-in,
South Team practice 2:15-4:00, North Team practice 4:15-6:00

Wednesday: North Team practice 10:30-12:30, South Team practice 2:30-4:30

Thursday: North Team practice 10:30-12:30, South Team practice 2:30-4:30

Friday: Team walkthroughs
(Note: All times Eastern. Mobile, Alabama is in Central time zone.)
Senior Bowl

Date: Saturday, January 30, 2016
Time: 2:30pm ET
Where: Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama
TV: NFL Network

2016 Senior Bowl practice schedule and game information - The Phinsider

- The South DL vs South OL will be must see TV. That DL is simply the best it's been in years.

[K Major]

Originally Posted by hagan714

I have beaten that Rob Ryan issue to death. Started before the ink dried on the contract. So moving on

FA? 1 Byrd does not equal a Harper and a Jenkins. The saints not getting a SS to maximize that investment still amazes me. Kenny was never and probably will never be that SS.

Build the line.

Jairus is not going to shut everything down on the back end. I refuse to make a judgment call on him until I see a decent pass rush & a decent answer at corner opposite Breaux or a healthy Lewis.

[WhoDatFan26]

Correct. And the Third Safety was Harper. He was used exclusively in a LB spot, Kenny mid range and Jenkins deep. The point is, he knew what he was doing with supposedly the wrong personnel. All I'm saying is, don't expect Filet Mignon when you still have hamburger.