2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:29 PM

I\'m amazed how anyone can defend an offense that was outscored tremendouly in the first half of games or how they can defend an offense that doesn\'t play ball until they are 20 behind in the 4th quarter.

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:34 PM

No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great.

I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve NEVER played fantasy football.

I don\'t play either but you argue like all you care about are the yards the offense made in the 4th quarter that helped their ranking even though they couldn\'t do squat in the first half but keep the defense on the field. The offense and defense should have been ranked evenly in my book with all the mistakes and miscues and lack of scoring. If you\'re looking for something to laugh at laugh at the offense that was outscored.

How\'s your team doing?

saintswhodi · 02-25-2005, 05:36 PM

lynnwood, you seem like a smart guy, but this is what you are doing. :casstet: Let it go man. Minds have been made up, and no argument is gonna change them. Just know some people feel what you are saying, and some you can\'t reach. It\'s all good. Live to fight another battle.

GumboBC · 02-25-2005, 05:38 PM

lynwood -

Nobody is taking up for the offense. But, ain\'t nobody ready to excuse the defense.

Anyway, I don\'t care to try and change anyone\'s mind on this subject. You\'ve got the right to think whatever you want to think.

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:39 PM

lynnwood, you seem like a smart guy, but this is what you are doing. :casstet: Let it go man. Minds have been made up, and no argument is gonna change them. Just know some people feel what you are saying, and some you can\'t reach. It\'s all good. Live to fight another battle.

Yeah I know. I\'m a true fan, I have hope for the Hopless. Thanks.

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 05:44 PM

lynwood -

Nobody is taking up for the offense. But, ain\'t nobody ready to excuse the defense.

Anyway, I don\'t care to try and change anyone\'s mind on this subject. You\'ve got the right to think whatever you want to think.

I\'m not excusing the defense, but just as the thread title says, they were not as bad as you think. Just that if the offense put more effort in the first half we might have been ranked even higher on both sides.

xan · 02-25-2005, 05:52 PM

From Shadow:

No..Your saying that...I said..The only reason we even won 8 games ..is because of the Offense...and..It\'s true...I also said..the Offense wasn\'t strong enough to carry the weak D every week...BUT..they D**M sure produced more towards victory than the LAST RANKED DEFENSE ..and that is just a fact...Year in and year out..it is our Offense that we hang victories on...The Stats prove it..they are not\'\'modified\'\'..they are not able to be taken away..and changed into something else...

The Offense isn\'t the greatest ever...the Defense on the other hand..could be argued as the worst in History...

I\'m still in awe, and just udderly amazed...that anyone could actually try to defend the Defense...
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I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average and nearly 3 touchdowns better than the games they got blown out. The offense, however, only managed to score 3 points more than their season average during those wins.

Show me facts that support that the offense won those games and the D was there as an afterthought and I\'ll entertain your assertion.

I\'ll keep showing you facts, you keep bringing the close mindedness.

shadowdrinker · 02-25-2005, 06:03 PM

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I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average

That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST..

you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY ....

Here\'s a real test...

We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense...

If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up...

Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha

And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you...

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 06:10 PM

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I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average

That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST..

you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY ....

Here\'s a real test...

We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense...

If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up...

Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha

And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you...

I\'d ask people from another board if our offense stunk or was the opponents defense that good to prevent us from scoring and keeping the game close.

lynwood · 02-25-2005, 06:13 PM

________________________________________________________

I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average

That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST..

you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY ....

Here\'s a real test...

We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense...

If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up...

Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha

And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you...

I\'d ask people from another board if our offense stunk or was the opponents defense that good to prevent us from scoring and keeping the game close.

Oh wait you said hinder progress of the offense..now it\'s my turn .....LMAO

02-25-2005, 05:29 PM	#51
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk I\'m amazed how anyone can defend an offense that was outscored tremendouly in the first half of games or how they can defend an offense that doesn\'t play ball until they are 20 behind in the 4th quarter.

02-25-2005, 05:34 PM	#52
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk No i say it about people that take up for a 4th quarter stat padding offense that can\'t score but all they do is play fantasy ball and care about the yards stats and catch stats. The team might lose but i bet your fantasy score was great. I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve NEVER played fantasy football. I don\'t play either but you argue like all you care about are the yards the offense made in the 4th quarter that helped their ranking even though they couldn\'t do squat in the first half but keep the defense on the field. The offense and defense should have been ranked evenly in my book with all the mistakes and miscues and lack of scoring. If you\'re looking for something to laugh at laugh at the offense that was outscored. How\'s your team doing?

02-25-2005, 05:36 PM	#53
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk lynnwood, you seem like a smart guy, but this is what you are doing. :casstet: Let it go man. Minds have been made up, and no argument is gonna change them. Just know some people feel what you are saying, and some you can\'t reach. It\'s all good. Live to fight another battle.

02-25-2005, 05:38 PM	#54
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk lynwood - Nobody is taking up for the offense. But, ain\'t nobody ready to excuse the defense. Anyway, I don\'t care to try and change anyone\'s mind on this subject. You\'ve got the right to think whatever you want to think.
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02-25-2005, 05:39 PM	#55
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk lynnwood, you seem like a smart guy, but this is what you are doing. :casstet: Let it go man. Minds have been made up, and no argument is gonna change them. Just know some people feel what you are saying, and some you can\'t reach. It\'s all good. Live to fight another battle. Yeah I know. I\'m a true fan, I have hope for the Hopless. Thanks.

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02-25-2005, 05:44 PM	#56
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk lynwood - Nobody is taking up for the offense. But, ain\'t nobody ready to excuse the defense. Anyway, I don\'t care to try and change anyone\'s mind on this subject. You\'ve got the right to think whatever you want to think. I\'m not excusing the defense, but just as the thread title says, they were not as bad as you think. Just that if the offense put more effort in the first half we might have been ranked even higher on both sides.

02-25-2005, 05:52 PM	#57
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk From Shadow: No..Your saying that...I said..The only reason we even won 8 games ..is because of the Offense...and..It\'s true...I also said..the Offense wasn\'t strong enough to carry the weak D every week...BUT..they D**M sure produced more towards victory than the LAST RANKED DEFENSE ..and that is just a fact...Year in and year out..it is our Offense that we hang victories on...The Stats prove it..they are not\'\'modified\'\'..they are not able to be taken away..and changed into something else... The Offense isn\'t the greatest ever...the Defense on the other hand..could be argued as the worst in History... I\'m still in awe, and just udderly amazed...that anyone could actually try to defend the Defense... ________________________________________________________ I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average and nearly 3 touchdowns better than the games they got blown out. The offense, however, only managed to score 3 points more than their season average during those wins. Show me facts that support that the offense won those games and the D was there as an afterthought and I\'ll entertain your assertion. I\'ll keep showing you facts, you keep bringing the close mindedness.
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02-25-2005, 06:03 PM	#58
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk ________________________________________________________ I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST.. you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY .... Here\'s a real test... We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense... If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up... Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you...
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02-25-2005, 06:10 PM	#59
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk ________________________________________________________ I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST.. you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY .... Here\'s a real test... We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense... If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up... Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you... I\'d ask people from another board if our offense stunk or was the opponents defense that good to prevent us from scoring and keeping the game close.

02-25-2005, 06:13 PM	#60
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	2004 Defensive Performance not as bad as you thinnk ________________________________________________________ I\'ve shown you facts that haven\'t been altered showing that the defense could be ranked 9th taking 10 out of 16 games where they were a full touchdown better than their overall average That\'s called..picking and choosing....taking certain games out..and..whatever man....it\'s false...it\'s modified...the facts are..32nd rank...LAST.. you can try to twist it around..take this here..and move this there..but..when you get down to the FACTS...DEAD LAST IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CATAGORY .... Here\'s a real test... We can ask people from other boards..if the Saints Defense was bad..bad enough to hinder the progress of the Offense... If bieng 32nd ranked can be modified to make them a better Defense than they actually appear...by taking out this game..and this drive..and this play...and only looking at the very few times they actually managed to show up... Of course..there\'s no way you would do it...you would be laughed out of the Net...haha And it would be a waste of my time..as I know..what the end result would be...and so do you... I\'d ask people from another board if our offense stunk or was the opponents defense that good to prevent us from scoring and keeping the game close. Oh wait you said hinder progress of the offense..now it\'s my turn .....LMAO