Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

voodooido · 04-12-2016, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene.

It is about to get interesting.

This dude may walk.

The key words were " loaded gun IN Smith's car". If they found it on his person or on the ground it would be different. A threat like "I'm going to get my gun" is not against the law in Louisiana. Now, if he did it in public where a bunch of reasonable citizens heard then Smith could of been arrested for Terrorizing. Until it is proven he had a gun on his person the charge will stick.

nola_swammi · 04-12-2016, 06:00 PM

Now enlighten with new evidence that a witness accounted what led to the brutal death to will smith I have a change of heart in the death penalty for the defendant. Witness at the scene of the accident say will smith was the aggressor ... His quote " I guess this guy (will smith) was like get out ***** I have a gun. And he (Hayes) goes ***** y'all I got one too and he (Hayes) grabs a gun and then he shoots him (will Smith) in the back, dead. Later police finds a will smith loaded gun.

I believe Louisiana is a stand your ground state, which in accounts will set Hayes free. I don't like it, I hate it but by the letter of the law this guy will be free if this is what truly happened

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 06:18 PM

It looks like the sudden stop by hayes in the video caused Will to bump him. It didn't look like much of a hit. I guess technically he should have stopped, but that was hardly reason for Hayes to want to chase him over it. If some gigantic dude comes at my car (yes I know Will was big, too), and is yelling at me, I'd probably go get my gun if I had one. Will could have told him he had a gun to make him back off, but got shot instead.

You don't go chasing people down and causing a wreck, if you're not looking for trouble. I could be completely wrong, of course, but the idea that someone said Will was the aggressor based on whatever he said, sounds ridiculous. Will taps the back of the hummer, and then gets slammed into. I would imagine that would make him pretty angry as well as feel threatened that this guy could do anything. But everyone is assuming the opposite now.

nola_swammi · 04-12-2016, 06:22 PM

I don't think if I was in Hayes position I would wait for him to get his gun before I react after he said he is going to get his gun. I hate that this happen but the guy is innocent if this what happen. Was he to aggressive by shooting his wife, certainly but if you threaten you might do about anything to survive.

This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons

|Mitch| · 04-12-2016, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons

State of Louisiana, your vehicle is an extension of your home, you can have as many loaded guns as you want. As long as you are not a felon and they are legal of course... I carry a loaded .40 in my mustang pretty much all the time, in a holster mounted between the seat and center console. Easy to get to

burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I don't think if I was in Hayes position I would wait for him to get his gun before I react after he said he is going to get his gun. I hate that this happen but the guy is innocent if this what happen. Was he to aggressive by shooting his wife, certainly but if you threaten you might do about anything to survive.

This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons

If he gets off it will be a technicality, but if it happened the way it's being described, he's hardly innocent. He pursued Smith, and he brought any danger he perceived on himself. Because if he's coming at Smith and making any sort of threat, Will has the right to defend himself. If the guy peaceably approaches, then things could have been much different. But he chased him down, obviously looking for a fight.

RaginCajun83 · 04-12-2016, 06:29 PM

It sounds like he chased down Smith looking for a fight, shooting someone 5 times doesn't sound like self defense, it sounds like a thug wanting to be able to brag that he took out a celebrity

44Champs · 04-12-2016, 06:34 PM

Given the history between the two, I'm starting to thinknthat Smithbwasnt totally innocent in this whole scenario. I think Smith knew it was Hayes in that H2 when he hit and run.

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burningmetal · 04-12-2016, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Given the history between the two, I'm starting to thinknthat Smithbwasnt totally innocent in this whole scenario. I think Smith knew it was Hayes in that H2 when he hit and run.

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What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder.

But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history.

44Champs · 04-12-2016, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder.

But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history.

Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree.

"Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, Anthony Hayes, on Dec. 26, 2005. The federal lawsuit was settled in September 2011, while attorneys were preparing for trial in the case. Court papers don't describe the settlement. According to the lawsuit, several people told the officers that Anthony Hayes had a history of mental illness.

Police said they shot Anthony Hayes after he lunged at them with a 3-inch-long knife. Bystanders had video of officers surrounding Hayes but not of the shooting. Six officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which said Anthony Hayes was shot at least nine times and alleged that officers should have used nonlethal force.

Police officer William Ceravolo was among the officers named in the lawsuit. Now retired, Ceravolo*told the New Orleans Advocate*that he had dinner with Smith and former Saints running back Pierre Thomas on Saturday before the fatal incident. Photos circulated Sunday on social media of Smith, Thomas and Ceravolo."

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04-12-2016, 06:14 PM	#1
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by Danno Yep, perhaps Will threatened Hayes and went to his car to get his gun, and Hayes shot him before Will got his gun? That would explain why the shooter didn't flee the scene. It is about to get interesting. This dude may walk. The key words were " loaded gun IN Smith's car". If they found it on his person or on the ground it would be different. A threat like "I'm going to get my gun" is not against the law in Louisiana. Now, if he did it in public where a bunch of reasonable citizens heard then Smith could of been arrested for Terrorizing. Until it is proven he had a gun on his person the charge will stick.
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04-12-2016, 06:00 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Now enlighten with new evidence that a witness accounted what led to the brutal death to will smith I have a change of heart in the death penalty for the defendant. Witness at the scene of the accident say will smith was the aggressor ... His quote " I guess this guy (will smith) was like get out *** I have a gun. And he (Hayes) goes *** y'all I got one too and he (Hayes) grabs a gun and then he shoots him (will Smith) in the back, dead. Later police finds a will smith loaded gun. I believe Louisiana is a stand your ground state, which in accounts will set Hayes free. I don't like it, I hate it but by the letter of the law this guy will be free if this is what truly happened

04-12-2016, 06:18 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident It looks like the sudden stop by hayes in the video caused Will to bump him. It didn't look like much of a hit. I guess technically he should have stopped, but that was hardly reason for Hayes to want to chase him over it. If some gigantic dude comes at my car (yes I know Will was big, too), and is yelling at me, I'd probably go get my gun if I had one. Will could have told him he had a gun to make him back off, but got shot instead. You don't go chasing people down and causing a wreck, if you're not looking for trouble. I could be completely wrong, of course, but the idea that someone said Will was the aggressor based on whatever he said, sounds ridiculous. Will taps the back of the hummer, and then gets slammed into. I would imagine that would make him pretty angry as well as feel threatened that this guy could do anything. But everyone is assuming the opposite now.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2016, 06:22 PM	#4
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident I don't think if I was in Hayes position I would wait for him to get his gun before I react after he said he is going to get his gun. I hate that this happen but the guy is innocent if this what happen. Was he to aggressive by shooting his wife, certainly but if you threaten you might do about anything to survive. This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons

04-12-2016, 06:26 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by nola_swammi This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons State of Louisiana, your vehicle is an extension of your home, you can have as many loaded guns as you want. As long as you are not a felon and they are legal of course... I carry a loaded .40 in my mustang pretty much all the time, in a holster mounted between the seat and center console. Easy to get to

04-12-2016, 06:27 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by nola_swammi I don't think if I was in Hayes position I would wait for him to get his gun before I react after he said he is going to get his gun. I hate that this happen but the guy is innocent if this what happen. Was he to aggressive by shooting his wife, certainly but if you threaten you might do about anything to survive. This about to get very interesting cause I was told a weapon do not suppose to be loaded while in vehicle. Both parties did have loaded weapons If he gets off it will be a technicality, but if it happened the way it's being described, he's hardly innocent. He pursued Smith, and he brought any danger he perceived on himself. Because if he's coming at Smith and making any sort of threat, Will has the right to defend himself. If the guy peaceably approaches, then things could have been much different. But he chased him down, obviously looking for a fight. \|Mitch\| likes this.

04-12-2016, 06:29 PM	#7
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident It sounds like he chased down Smith looking for a fight, shooting someone 5 times doesn't sound like self defense, it sounds like a thug wanting to be able to brag that he took out a celebrity

04-12-2016, 06:34 PM	#8
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Given the history between the two, I'm starting to thinknthat Smithbwasnt totally innocent in this whole scenario. I think Smith knew it was Hayes in that H2 when he hit and run. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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04-12-2016, 06:42 PM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by 44Champs Given the history between the two, I'm starting to thinknthat Smithbwasnt totally innocent in this whole scenario. I think Smith knew it was Hayes in that H2 when he hit and run. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder. But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-12-2016, 06:52 PM	#10
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by burningmetal What history? I've theorized that Hayes might have been aware that Smith was friends with Ceravolo, and might have spotted the two hanging out that night. In the video, it was odd the way Hayes seemed to stop for no apparent reason, as if trying to instigate something. And maybe he pulled over thinking Smith would also pull over, and he'd fight him or shoot him then. It's only a theory, but something that makes me wonder. But other than Hayes possibly knowing of Smith and Ceravolo being friends, I have heard nothing of Smith and Hayes having any personal history. Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree. "Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, Anthony Hayes, on Dec. 26, 2005. The federal lawsuit was settled in September 2011, while attorneys were preparing for trial in the case. Court papers don't describe the settlement. According to the lawsuit, several people told the officers that Anthony Hayes had a history of mental illness. Police said they shot Anthony Hayes after he lunged at them with a 3-inch-long knife. Bystanders had video of officers surrounding Hayes but not of the shooting. Six officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which said Anthony Hayes was shot at least nine times and alleged that officers should have used nonlethal force. Police officer William Ceravolo was among the officers named in the lawsuit. Now retired, Ceravolotold the New Orleans Advocatethat he had dinner with Smith and former Saints running back Pierre Thomas on Saturday before the fatal incident. Photos circulated Sunday on social media of Smith, Thomas and Ceravolo." Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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