Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

All the facts have not come out yet and everyone is ready to crucify the guy. He looks guilty as hell, but until we know all the facts we shouldnt rush to judgement.

Seriously?! Innocent until proven guilty right? Just the fact that he's the only one with the gun and an eye witness who he shot survived... Or the fact that he chased down Will after his car was supposedly hit; I guess that was a decent excuse to pull a gun

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 08:52 PM

The Dude · 04-11-2016, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Seriously?! Innocent until proven guilty right? Just the fact that he's the only one with the gun and an eye witness who he shot survived... Or the fact that he chased down Will after his car was supposedly hit; I guess that was a decent excuse to pull a gun

there is rarely a decent excuse to pull out a gun. We just dont have all the facts. Yes it looks guilty and I think he is but that is my specutlation BUT, I will always try to wait until all the facts come out to form and opinion. There is too much emotion and too little information right now for me to do that. Many policeman and citizens have had to use self defense to protect themselves. The court of public opinion will portray it as murder only to find out later there was more to the story. It often leads to people jumping to conclusions which starts riots that ultimately cause more violence.

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Many policeman and citizens have had to use self defense to protect themselves.

Self-Defense when Will was shot in the back, something like 5 times? Sitting in the drivers seat might I add...

Halo · 04-11-2016, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Self-Defense when Will was shot in the back, something like 5 times?

That's the part I can't get out of my head... all the conspiracies and two gun theories be damned. Shot in the back 5 times....

Self defense? Really??

|Mitch| · 04-11-2016, 11:16 PM

The thing that gets to me, it was reported he didn't know Smith... Just shot him through the window without seeing his face or what?!

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

The thing that gets to me, it was reported he didn't know Smith... Just shot him through the window without seeing his face or what?!

That's BS from what I understand the were both drafted by the Saints the same year and Smith was good friends with the man who shot and killed Hayes father in self defense. At the very least Hayes knew Smith. I think there was more to it than simply road rage

SloMotion · 04-12-2016, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

That's BS from what I understand they were both drafted by the Saints the same year and Smith was good friends with the man who shot and killed Hayes father in self defense. At the very least Hayes knew Smith. I think there was more to it than simply road rage

Nope, Hayes (28) was still a Louisiana high school prospect when Smith (34) was drafted in '04. This was just, "I got a gun"/"I'ma go get my gun" stuff that just escalates, #smh. IDK about the other stuff. The fact the shooter didn't leave the scene and willfully submitted to arrest tells me he probably felt threatened in some way by Smith, physically or verbally.

Never should of happened,

.

Everyone making judgements on guilt or innocence IMO are missing the point...tragedy for all parties involved regardless of legal outcome. — T-Bob Hebert (@TBob53) April 12, 2016

The Dude · 04-12-2016, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

That's the part I can't get out of my head... all the conspiracies and two gun theories be damned. Shot in the back 5 times.... Self defense? Really??

I don't think it was self defense. Hayes actually went back to his car to get the gun. That right there throws out self defense. If the threat had calmed to the point he was able to go back to his car then he could have either stayed there or fled for his life.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude All the facts have not come out yet and everyone is ready to crucify the guy. He looks guilty as hell, but until we know all the facts we shouldnt rush to judgement. Seriously?! Innocent until proven guilty right? Just the fact that he's the only one with the gun and an eye witness who he shot survived... Or the fact that he chased down Will after his car was supposedly hit; I guess that was a decent excuse to pull a gun

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Seriously?! Innocent until proven guilty right? Just the fact that he's the only one with the gun and an eye witness who he shot survived... Or the fact that he chased down Will after his car was supposedly hit; I guess that was a decent excuse to pull a gun there is rarely a decent excuse to pull out a gun. We just dont have all the facts. Yes it looks guilty and I think he is but that is my specutlation BUT, I will always try to wait until all the facts come out to form and opinion. There is too much emotion and too little information right now for me to do that. Many policeman and citizens have had to use self defense to protect themselves. The court of public opinion will portray it as murder only to find out later there was more to the story. It often leads to people jumping to conclusions which starts riots that ultimately cause more violence. SloMotion likes this.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude Many policeman and citizens have had to use self defense to protect themselves. Self-Defense when Will was shot in the back, something like 5 times? Sitting in the drivers seat might I add...

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Self-Defense when Will was shot in the back, something like 5 times? That's the part I can't get out of my head... all the conspiracies and two gun theories be damned. Shot in the back 5 times.... Self defense? Really?? skymike likes this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident The thing that gets to me, it was reported he didn't know Smith... Just shot him through the window without seeing his face or what?!

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| The thing that gets to me, it was reported he didn't know Smith... Just shot him through the window without seeing his face or what?! That's BS from what I understand the were both drafted by the Saints the same year and Smith was good friends with the man who shot and killed Hayes father in self defense. At the very least Hayes knew Smith. I think there was more to it than simply road rage
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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by The Dude That's BS from what I understand they were both drafted by the Saints the same year and Smith was good friends with the man who shot and killed Hayes father in self defense. At the very least Hayes knew Smith. I think there was more to it than simply road rage Nope, Hayes (28) was still a Louisiana high school prospect when Smith (34) was drafted in '04. This was just, "I got a gun"/"I'ma go get my gun" stuff that just escalates, #smh. IDK about the other stuff. The fact the shooter didn't leave the scene and willfully submitted to arrest tells me he probably felt threatened in some way by Smith, physically or verbally. Never should of happened, . Everyone making judgements on guilt or innocence IMO are missing the point...tragedy for all parties involved regardless of legal outcome. — T-Bob Hebert (@TBob53) April 12, 2016 The Dude likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident Originally Posted by Halo That's the part I can't get out of my head... all the conspiracies and two gun theories be damned. Shot in the back 5 times.... Self defense? Really?? I don't think it was self defense. Hayes actually went back to his car to get the gun. That right there throws out self defense. If the threat had calmed to the point he was able to go back to his car then he could have either stayed there or fled for his life.
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