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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by 44Champs Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree. "Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, ...

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Old 04-12-2016, 07:06 PM   #1
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Re: Ex-Saints DE Will Smith killed; wife shot after traffic accident

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Smith was friends with the policeman that shot and killed his father - I think that makes it personal to some degree.

"Hayes sued the NOPD and six officers after police shot and killed his father, Anthony Hayes, on Dec. 26, 2005. The federal lawsuit was settled in September 2011, while attorneys were preparing for trial in the case. Court papers don't describe the settlement. According to the lawsuit, several people told the officers that Anthony Hayes had a history of mental illness.

Police said they shot Anthony Hayes after he lunged at them with a 3-inch-long knife. Bystanders had video of officers surrounding Hayes but not of the shooting. Six officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which said Anthony Hayes was shot at least nine times and alleged that officers should have used nonlethal force.

Police officer William Ceravolo was among the officers named in the lawsuit. Now retired, Ceravolo*told the New Orleans Advocate*that he had dinner with Smith and former Saints running back Pierre Thomas on Saturday before the fatal incident. Photos circulated Sunday on social media of Smith, Thomas and Ceravolo."



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Dude, that's what I just said to you. That's the exact connection I made with him possibly knowing that Smith was friends with Ceravolo. But that isn't a "history" as you put it. I'm not sure why Will would know who Hayes is. What happened between Hayes' father and Ceravolo had nothing to do with Smith. I can see Hayes knowing of Smith was and having a petty axe to grind, but I just don't see how Smith would have recognized Hayes, especially in the dark. If Hayes knew that it was Smith in the other vehicle, I'm guessing it's because he spotted him at the restaurant.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:33 PM   #2
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Dude, that's what I just said to you. That's the exact connection I made with him possibly knowing that Smith was friends with Ceravolo. But that isn't a "history" as you put it. I'm not sure why Will would know who Hayes is. What happened between Hayes' father and Ceravolo had nothing to do with Smith. I can see Hayes knowing of Smith was and having a petty axe to grind, but I just don't see how Smith would have recognized Hayes, especially in the dark. If Hayes knew that it was Smith in the other vehicle, I'm guessing it's because he spotted him at the restaurant.
"History", "past" - you're stuck on semantics and I think everyone else here gets the point that I was making.

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"History", "past" - you're stuck on semantics and I think everyone else here gets the point that I was making.

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What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation.

You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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What? I didn't even use the word "past". Semantics have nothing to do with it. I wasn't concerned with the word "history". I'm saying there is no history between Smith and Hayes. There is only history between Hayes and Ceravolo. I get the motivation (though it would be an unjust motivation) that Hayes might have had to attack Smith, but there is no reason why Smith would really know who Hayes was, especially before the actual altercation.

You said with the history between the two, you think Smith knew it was Hayes when the hit and run happened (the weakest looking hit and run I've ever seen) but I'm just wondering what history there is.
I know what you are saying. I think the confusion comes from media reports put out soon after the crime. The media claws for any connection it can to make an incident more interesting to the public. There were reports even from WWL that the two were acquaintances. One report said they were drafted together. They obviously reported some info that was speculation rather than fact. It will be a week or so before the dust settles and we know what really happened. It's sad none the less.
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