Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs?

neugey · 09-27-2016, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

So, an 0-3 start

Two back to back 7-9 seasons, defense is worse than last year in terms of points allowed and Brees is once again having to try to score every possession.

Payton not getting the team prepared, bad drafts and a failure to stick to schemes (drafting 3-4 players and then switching to a 4-3) has finally caught up with us.

Injuries have played a part but cannot be blamed alone, this team is 4-11 in the last 15 home games!!

Payton has kept Darymple (strength and conditioning coach), Vitt, McMahon, Dennis Allen and Bill Johnson all in a job when it's obvious that they all suck!!

Nothing would make me happier than for Payton to be handed his leaving papers, has anyone changed their mind from when this thread was originally posted by myself?

I think it's almost certain now that Payton has lost the team. But this organization might not have the guts to push the reset button on Payton and his staff unless we finish in the 0-5 win range. Finish in the 6-8 win range and then it's likely Payton will get a pass because of the injuries.

We are a very bad 0-3 ... Brees is in top form and looking like far and away the most accurate QB in the league the way Marino once did. It is hard to lose with QB play like this, but somehow it is happening.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think it's almost certain now that Payton has lost the team. But this organization might not have the guts to push the reset button on Payton and his staff unless we finish in the 0-5 win range. Finish in the 6-8 win range and then it's likely Payton will get a pass because of the injuries.

We are a very bad 0-3 ... Brees is in top form and looking like far and away the most accurate QB in the league the way Marino once did. It is hard to lose with QB play like this, but somehow it is happening.

Absolutely agree!

If we end up picking top 5 in the draft, I hope Payton and his cronies are gone by then so they don't screw them up.

I too, don't know if management are brave enough to do the correct thing!

darksoul35 · 09-27-2016, 09:09 AM

The defense was looking a lot better before all the injuries. We basically had a high school team out there. I understand everyone being upset but we our defense has had more injuries in the first 3 weeks than most teams have all year.

captainshawn · 09-27-2016, 10:12 AM

Yes his job is safe and it should be.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by captainshawn

Yes his job is safe and it should be.

This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe?

saintfan · 09-27-2016, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe?

Because he's not playing with anywhere near the team he thought he'd be playing with.

You don't 'coach up' a guy who's been in the league 4 or 5 years and was on the street until you called because you have nowhere else to turn.

You don't throw an undrafted rookie free agent up against two of the best wide receivers in the league, in back-to-back weeks, because you want to.

You honor what's left on his contract and you give the man an opportunity to correct the problems, hopefully with relatively healthy players, a luxury he has not had lately.

That's my .02

captainshawn · 09-28-2016, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe?

Because Sean took over a complete disaster of a team and drug his family into a hell hole that most can't even imagine. He got us a Lombardi, something that I NEVER thought would happen, and he got screwed big time by Goodell for our so called "Bounty" system. That alone set this franchise back a couple of years. Is he without fault? No, but as long as we have him and Drew together we have a chance.

Some of the injuries we've sustained might be because of conditioning issues, but you can't blame broken bones, concussions or sprains on lack of exercise.

I do think that some of the position coaches need to be shown the door.
Loomis should also be given a hard look for these F/A disasters that we seem to keep getting ourselves into but not Payton. He has no choice but to start guy's that would otherwise have seen limited time on the field.

CheramieIII · 09-27-2016, 12:35 PM

I don't see us beating anyone at this point. Payton will stay no matter what. He did get us a Superbowl win. Something some of us old timers never thought would happen in our life time.

Rell&Gold · 09-27-2016, 01:05 PM

Injuries Injuries Injuries....If we were 100% healthy no doubt in my mind we are at least 2-2 after the first 4

Danno · 09-27-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Injuries Injuries Injuries....If we were 100% healthy no doubt in my mind we are at least 2-2 after the first 4

I'm convinced that if we just had an ordinary amount of injuries we'd be 3-1, maybe 4-0 at the break.

I doubt any team has suffered even half of the key injuries that we have.

09-27-2016, 07:32 AM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,881 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by dizzle88 So, an 0-3 start Two back to back 7-9 seasons, defense is worse than last year in terms of points allowed and Brees is once again having to try to score every possession. Payton not getting the team prepared, bad drafts and a failure to stick to schemes (drafting 3-4 players and then switching to a 4-3) has finally caught up with us. Injuries have played a part but cannot be blamed alone, this team is 4-11 in the last 15 home games!! Payton has kept Darymple (strength and conditioning coach), Vitt, McMahon, Dennis Allen and Bill Johnson all in a job when it's obvious that they all suck!! Nothing would make me happier than for Payton to be handed his leaving papers, has anyone changed their mind from when this thread was originally posted by myself? I think it's almost certain now that Payton has lost the team. But this organization might not have the guts to push the reset button on Payton and his staff unless we finish in the 0-5 win range. Finish in the 6-8 win range and then it's likely Payton will get a pass because of the injuries. We are a very bad 0-3 ... Brees is in top form and looking like far and away the most accurate QB in the league the way Marino once did. It is hard to lose with QB play like this, but somehow it is happening. dizzle88 likes this.

09-27-2016, 07:39 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,655	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by neugey I think it's almost certain now that Payton has lost the team. But this organization might not have the guts to push the reset button on Payton and his staff unless we finish in the 0-5 win range. Finish in the 6-8 win range and then it's likely Payton will get a pass because of the injuries. We are a very bad 0-3 ... Brees is in top form and looking like far and away the most accurate QB in the league the way Marino once did. It is hard to lose with QB play like this, but somehow it is happening. Absolutely agree! If we end up picking top 5 in the draft, I hope Payton and his cronies are gone by then so they don't screw them up. I too, don't know if management are brave enough to do the correct thing!

09-27-2016, 09:09 AM	#3
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,045	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? The defense was looking a lot better before all the injuries. We basically had a high school team out there. I understand everyone being upset but we our defense has had more injuries in the first 3 weeks than most teams have all year.
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09-27-2016, 10:12 AM	#4
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Yes his job is safe and it should be. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-27-2016, 10:14 AM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,655	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by captainshawn Yes his job is safe and it should be. This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe?

09-27-2016, 12:32 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by dizzle88 This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe? Because he's not playing with anywhere near the team he thought he'd be playing with. You don't 'coach up' a guy who's been in the league 4 or 5 years and was on the street until you called because you have nowhere else to turn. You don't throw an undrafted rookie free agent up against two of the best wide receivers in the league, in back-to-back weeks, because you want to. You honor what's left on his contract and you give the man an opportunity to correct the problems, hopefully with relatively healthy players, a luxury he has not had lately. That's my .02 Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-28-2016, 09:21 AM	#7
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by dizzle88 This is no way meant to be condescending, but please elaborate as to why his job should be safe? Because Sean took over a complete disaster of a team and drug his family into a hell hole that most can't even imagine. He got us a Lombardi, something that I NEVER thought would happen, and he got screwed big time by Goodell for our so called "Bounty" system. That alone set this franchise back a couple of years. Is he without fault? No, but as long as we have him and Drew together we have a chance. Some of the injuries we've sustained might be because of conditioning issues, but you can't blame broken bones, concussions or sprains on lack of exercise. I do think that some of the position coaches need to be shown the door. Loomis should also be given a hard look for these F/A disasters that we seem to keep getting ourselves into but not Payton. He has no choice but to start guy's that would otherwise have seen limited time on the field. Utah_Saint likes this.
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09-27-2016, 12:35 PM	#8
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? I don't see us beating anyone at this point. Payton will stay no matter what. He did get us a Superbowl win. Something some of us old timers never thought would happen in our life time.

09-27-2016, 01:05 PM	#9
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Injuries Injuries Injuries....If we were 100% healthy no doubt in my mind we are at least 2-2 after the first 4

09-27-2016, 01:11 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,759	Re: Is Sean Paytons Job safe if we miss the playoffs? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Injuries Injuries Injuries....If we were 100% healthy no doubt in my mind we are at least 2-2 after the first 4 I'm convinced that if we just had an ordinary amount of injuries we'd be 3-1, maybe 4-0 at the break. I doubt any team has suffered even half of the key injuries that we have. jnormand likes this.

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