You're Sean Payton

dam1953 · 01-10-2017, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, but YOU are wrong.

This ...

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Ok. I agree, but if that be the case, what in holy hell was Payton thinking when he brought Ryan in as DC when you consider the cluster*** he ran at Dallas.

They watch video of college prospects and FAs. You would think we would have watched film of Dallas's D and witnessed that Ryan was basically the ringmaster and their D was a circus. I think helped Dallas was they had more talent than NO did during Ryan's tenure. That likely help mask the chaos.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2017, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by dam1953

Ok. I agree, but if that be the case, what in holy hell was Payton thinking when he brought Ryan in as DC when you consider the cluster*** he ran at Dallas.

They watch video of college prospects and FAs. You would think we would have watched film of Dallas's D and witnessed that Ryan was basically the ringmaster and their D was a circus. I think helped Dallas was they had more talent than NO did during Ryan's tenure. That likely help mask the chaos.

My only guess is that he wanted to make a big splash after Coach Spags bombed so badly the year before. I also think THAT is why he is sticking with Allen and not bringing in another "big splash" like Phillips. What the Saints need is stability with their defense. A second full year of Dennis Allen should bring that. "Gelling" isn't only the players getting to know each others abilities on the field, but it is also getting to know the coach's tendencies.

Regardless how great Wade Phillips might be, I would expect a second full season in a row under Allen would be more successful than, going through yet another new coach and defensive scheme. Obviously, Payton is viewing it the same way.

halloween 65 · 01-10-2017, 11:54 AM

If this seasons D blows chunks Brees should demand a trade plain and simple.

WW_Who_Dat · 01-10-2017, 01:29 PM

If this sessions D blows chunks I will still follow and pull in 2018 plain and simple ... WhoDat since 09/1967!

halloween 65 · 01-10-2017, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

If this sessions D blows chunks I will still follow and pull in 2018 plain and simple ... WhoDat since 09/1967!

So will I but he deserves help. The O has done it's part over and over and over can't expect him to pull a rabbit out of his hat every game. He has did his part.

saintsfan1976 · 01-10-2017, 03:24 PM

This is turning out to be "thread of the month".

saintfan · 01-10-2017, 03:36 PM

Rugby Saint II · 01-10-2017, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If this seasons D blows chunks Brees should demand a trade plain and simple.

I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole.

saintfan · 01-10-2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole.

I figure he wants to be here and finish here, and "I" believe he will.

But he could leave should he determine the Saints aren't serious. I think we are. I don't think Sean has lost his fire or the team. I think we can all be legitimately excited about next year. Knocking off the Failcones is going to be big fun.

halloween 65 · 01-10-2017, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole.

Rugby, something has to give about Payton fielding the type of D's. It's hard to even imagine Payton being able to slice thriugh D's with the way his O has year in and year out and not being able to field a D that at the least compliments the O. Brees needs help and Payton gives it to him on the O but has never give him much help at all on the D, it's got to get old playing your heart out and ending up with a losing record year after year, in ways kind of reminds me when Manning was under center. Our O runs into some really good D's sometimes and they do struggle, it happens but to watch(even on TV) a game which in no way we can win because we can,'t stop another O from scoring, it's got to hit home for Brees. I admit I don't like Allen and think if he didn't have Sharper he wouldn't have got a sniff at DC and now he's our DC. I got my reasons for not believing in him.

01-10-2017, 11:06 AM	#71
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sorry, but YOU are wrong. This ... . Ok. I agree, but if that be the case, what in holy hell was Payton thinking when he brought Ryan in as DC when you consider the cluster*** he ran at Dallas. They watch video of college prospects and FAs. You would think we would have watched film of Dallas's D and witnessed that Ryan was basically the ringmaster and their D was a circus. I think helped Dallas was they had more talent than NO did during Ryan's tenure. That likely help mask the chaos.

01-10-2017, 11:38 AM	#72
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by dam1953 Ok. I agree, but if that be the case, what in holy hell was Payton thinking when he brought Ryan in as DC when you consider the cluster*** he ran at Dallas. They watch video of college prospects and FAs. You would think we would have watched film of Dallas's D and witnessed that Ryan was basically the ringmaster and their D was a circus. I think helped Dallas was they had more talent than NO did during Ryan's tenure. That likely help mask the chaos. My only guess is that he wanted to make a big splash after Coach Spags bombed so badly the year before. I also think THAT is why he is sticking with Allen and not bringing in another "big splash" like Phillips. What the Saints need is stability with their defense. A second full year of Dennis Allen should bring that. "Gelling" isn't only the players getting to know each others abilities on the field, but it is also getting to know the coach's tendencies. Regardless how great Wade Phillips might be, I would expect a second full season in a row under Allen would be more successful than, going through yet another new coach and defensive scheme. Obviously, Payton is viewing it the same way. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat If this sessions D blows chunks I will still follow and pull in 2018 plain and simple ... WhoDat since 09/1967! So will I but he deserves help. The O has done it's part over and over and over can't expect him to pull a rabbit out of his hat every game. He has did his part.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by halloween 65 If this seasons D blows chunks Brees should demand a trade plain and simple. I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole. halloween 65 likes this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole. I figure he wants to be here and finish here, and "I" believe he will. But he could leave should he determine the Saints aren't serious. I think we are. I don't think Sean has lost his fire or the team. I think we can all be legitimately excited about next year. Knocking off the Failcones is going to be big fun.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I believe that Drew is smart and has prepared for leaving the Saints if we don't finally get a defense. He won't need to demand a trade because I think he is in the final year of his contract extension. If things get better in New Orleans he can sign a contract depending on how much better the defense is and the team plays as a whole. Rugby, something has to give about Payton fielding the type of D's. It's hard to even imagine Payton being able to slice thriugh D's with the way his O has year in and year out and not being able to field a D that at the least compliments the O. Brees needs help and Payton gives it to him on the O but has never give him much help at all on the D, it's got to get old playing your heart out and ending up with a losing record year after year, in ways kind of reminds me when Manning was under center. Our O runs into some really good D's sometimes and they do struggle, it happens but to watch(even on TV) a game which in no way we can win because we can,'t stop another O from scoring, it's got to hit home for Brees. I admit I don't like Allen and think if he didn't have Sharper he wouldn't have got a sniff at DC and now he's our DC. I got my reasons for not believing in him.

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