You're Sean Payton

Tobias-Reiper · 01-10-2017, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, but YOU are wrong.
... argumentum ad verecundiam links snipped...

Of course, of course. Look, you can post all the links to "what sources said" pieces all you want, sprinkled with your own suppositions (which apparently you can do, but you don't like others doing). All you got is a few reporters regurgitating what the son of Jerry Jones (whatever his name is) said about why the Cowboys fired Ryan. Unless "complex" is used to team "undisciplined, and overall not sound".

And Allen HAS been very flexible using what he has available to their strengths. Once again, common knowledge.

Of course. No one else does that. Well, maybe 1 or 2 others, but surely not Wade Phillips, no Sir!

I get it. You feel the need to defend Allen. And who knows, Allen may turn out to be the next Bill Belichick.

However, the point still stands: the Saints have 2-3 more years with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Do you at least take a shot at luring one of the best DCs around, who is currently not signed, with a proven track record spawning several years on different teams, or do you go with the unproven commodity?

Personally, I'd at least try to get the proven commodity in here. If he tells me "no thanks" or "it'd take me a couple years to get the players I need", ok, then...

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2017, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Of course, of course. Look, you can post all the links to "what sources said" pieces all you want, sprinkled with your own suppositions (which apparently you can do, but you don't like others doing). All you got is a few reporters regurgitating what the son of Jerry Jones (whatever his name is) said about why the Cowboys fired Ryan. Unless "complex" is used to team "undisciplined, and overall not sound".

Of course. No one else does that. Well, maybe 1 or 2 others, but surely not Wade Phillips, no Sir!

I get it. You feel the need to defend Allen. And who knows, Allen may turn out to be the next Bill Belichick.

However, the point still stands: the Saints have 2-3 more years with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Do you at least take a shot at luring one of the best DCs around, who is currently not signed, with a proven track record spawning several years on different teams, or do you go with the unproven commodity?

Personally, I'd at least try to get the proven commodity in here. If he tells me "no thanks" or "it'd take me a couple years to get the players I need", ok, then...

The fact is, like it or not, Allen isn't going anywhere this years Like it or not, THAT is the point.

And I'm not regurgitating what a reporter is saying. Some of those quotes were from Payton himself. Anyone that isn't blind could see the confusion out there during 2014 and the first half of 2015. The substitution scheme was so complex that the players, and their positional coaches, couldn't keep up with it. The exact same thing happened in Dallas. That is a fact whether you admit it or not. The same thing was happening in Buffalo this season. I saw it happening there. I watched quite a few Buffalo games this season because of fantasy players on both my teams and my wife's team. There were a number of occasions with 10 or 12 players out there on defense. That is due to the complexity of the scheme. Plain as day.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-10-2017, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The fact is, like it or not, Allen isn't going anywhere this years Like it or not, THAT is the point.

Oh, ok. I got confused with the title of this thread being "You are Sean Payton".

And I'm not regurgitating what a reporter is saying.

Well, not exactly. Technically, you are re-regurgitating what reporters are regurgitating from Jones Jr, who probably got the line from the Browns/Raiders.

Anyone that isn't blind could see the confusion out there during 2014 and the first half of 2015.

... and you assume this confusion is because the scheme is "complex", as everyone keeps regurgitating. "Complex" is the word they use when they don't want to say "bad" or "incompetent". No owner or coach is going to come out and say "so and so is an incompetent coach", because that would be an indictment on themselves, hiring the man to a coaching position in the first place, as it was pointed out by Dam1953 a few posts before.

01-10-2017, 09:00 AM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sorry, but YOU are wrong. ... argumentum ad verecundiam links snipped... Of course, of course. Look, you can post all the links to "what sources said" pieces all you want, sprinkled with your own suppositions (which apparently you can do, but you don't like others doing). All you got is a few reporters regurgitating what the son of Jerry Jones (whatever his name is) said about why the Cowboys fired Ryan. Unless "complex" is used to team "undisciplined, and overall not sound". And Allen HAS been very flexible using what he has available to their strengths. Once again, common knowledge. Of course. No one else does that. Well, maybe 1 or 2 others, but surely not Wade Phillips, no Sir! I get it. You feel the need to defend Allen. And who knows, Allen may turn out to be the next Bill Belichick. However, the point still stands: the Saints have 2-3 more years with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Do you at least take a shot at luring one of the best DCs around, who is currently not signed, with a proven track record spawning several years on different teams, or do you go with the unproven commodity? Personally, I'd at least try to get the proven commodity in here. If he tells me "no thanks" or "it'd take me a couple years to get the players I need", ok, then...
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

01-10-2017, 09:54 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Of course, of course. Look, you can post all the links to "what sources said" pieces all you want, sprinkled with your own suppositions (which apparently you can do, but you don't like others doing). All you got is a few reporters regurgitating what the son of Jerry Jones (whatever his name is) said about why the Cowboys fired Ryan. Unless "complex" is used to team "undisciplined, and overall not sound". Of course. No one else does that. Well, maybe 1 or 2 others, but surely not Wade Phillips, no Sir! I get it. You feel the need to defend Allen. And who knows, Allen may turn out to be the next Bill Belichick. However, the point still stands: the Saints have 2-3 more years with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Do you at least take a shot at luring one of the best DCs around, who is currently not signed, with a proven track record spawning several years on different teams, or do you go with the unproven commodity? Personally, I'd at least try to get the proven commodity in here. If he tells me "no thanks" or "it'd take me a couple years to get the players I need", ok, then... The fact is, like it or not, Allen isn't going anywhere this years Like it or not, THAT is the point. And I'm not regurgitating what a reporter is saying. Some of those quotes were from Payton himself. Anyone that isn't blind could see the confusion out there during 2014 and the first half of 2015. The substitution scheme was so complex that the players, and their positional coaches, couldn't keep up with it. The exact same thing happened in Dallas. That is a fact whether you admit it or not. The same thing was happening in Buffalo this season. I saw it happening there. I watched quite a few Buffalo games this season because of fantasy players on both my teams and my wife's team. There were a number of occasions with 10 or 12 players out there on defense. That is due to the complexity of the scheme. Plain as day.
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01-10-2017, 08:27 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: You're Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The fact is, like it or not, Allen isn't going anywhere this years Like it or not, THAT is the point. Oh, ok. I got confused with the title of this thread being "You are Sean Payton". And I'm not regurgitating what a reporter is saying. Well, not exactly. Technically, you are re-regurgitating what reporters are regurgitating from Jones Jr, who probably got the line from the Browns/Raiders. Anyone that isn't blind could see the confusion out there during 2014 and the first half of 2015. ... and you assume this confusion is because the scheme is "complex", as everyone keeps regurgitating. "Complex" is the word they use when they don't want to say "bad" or "incompetent". No owner or coach is going to come out and say "so and so is an incompetent coach", because that would be an indictment on themselves, hiring the man to a coaching position in the first place, as it was pointed out by Dam1953 a few posts before.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

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