Payton need to go?

neugey · 09-12-2017, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I feel you bro. Remember how we originally used Ingram? He never did anything but run and we wondered why he always had 2 yard gains. Everyone knew what he was in for.

Right. Also Khiry, Ivory, Hightower.

Danno · 09-12-2017, 07:21 PM

No holes = no run game

Not that difficult to understand

saintfan · 09-12-2017, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

No holes = no run game

Not that difficult to understand

Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

Utah_Saint · 09-12-2017, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league.

5th in the league in pass blocking.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES

saintfan · 09-13-2017, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league.

5th in the league in pass blocking.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES

Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

Utah_Saint · 09-13-2017, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

Yeah, maybe.

They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is.

Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense.

RaginCajun83 · 09-12-2017, 09:44 PM

And that equaled 7 wins, who cares what the line was ranked last year

Utah_Saint · 09-12-2017, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

And that equaled 7 wins, who cares what the line was ranked last year

Maybe you didn't notice the post I was responding to.

nola_swammi · 09-12-2017, 11:48 PM

Can we trade Payton for Belchick?

dizzle88 · 09-13-2017, 10:17 AM

I don't understand why our offense didn't come out of the gates aggressive, we just passed every ball to the flats and expected to get a first down. Call some shots down the field man!!

09-12-2017, 07:09 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by spkb25 I feel you bro. Remember how we originally used Ingram? He never did anything but run and we wondered why he always had 2 yard gains. Everyone knew what he was in for. Right. Also Khiry, Ivory, Hightower.

09-12-2017, 07:21 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Payton need to go? No holes = no run game Not that difficult to understand

09-12-2017, 07:39 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Danno No holes = no run game Not that difficult to understand Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did.

09-12-2017, 08:17 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by saintfan Right. We don't run block well. I don't remember when we did. Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league. 5th in the league in pass blocking. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES

09-13-2017, 12:36 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season, footballoutsiders rated the Saints with the best run blocking line in the league. 5th in the league in pass blocking. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2016 OFFENSIVE LINES Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol

09-13-2017, 01:39 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by saintfan Well maybe that's why they're outsiders. Lol Yeah, maybe. They're pretty good. They came up with the DVOA system (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) that a lot of teams use in the offseason to figure out how bad a problem is. Basically, when measuring how an offense performed, they don't value each defense the same. For example, if you threw for 300 yards against the Saints, it's not nearly as impressive as throwing for 300 against the Broncos, because just about everybody throws well against the Saints. They use what everybody else got passing against the Saints as the standard. So 250 against the Broncos defense might be better than 350 against the Saints defense.

09-12-2017, 09:44 PM	#7
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Payton need to go? And that equaled 7 wins, who cares what the line was ranked last year

09-12-2017, 11:19 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 And that equaled 7 wins, who cares what the line was ranked last year Maybe you didn't notice the post I was responding to.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Payton need to go? I don't understand why our offense didn't come out of the gates aggressive, we just passed every ball to the flats and expected to get a first down. Call some shots down the field man!!

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