N/S Your take on the XFL

WillMacKenzie · 03-04-2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Think you need to slow down and read the totality of Oak's post and not try to parse it out...

The only competition would be in off-season merchandise sales to the NFL that limited disposable income of consumers might spend on the XFL.

As so far as a future threat, HISTORY (for those who understand its importance to study, get it right) shows that if anything, should the XFL be viable, we'll see a merger of new markets and adoption of new rules...

The future is what I’m getting at, considering the growing age of the NFL’s fanbase, the growing specter of refs fixing games, the growing female support (but also the domestic violence problem), the anthem issues, etc etc, it’s not completely out of the question that the NFL could be vulnerable.

All that being said, I don’t know the motivations of the XFL, so I can’t say for certain what the really intend other than a spring league for castoffs to get more exposure and possibly sign with an NFL team in the future.

TheOak · 03-04-2020, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Just not true. It’s can be incredibly stupid to fight the alpha head to head, but if you can develop a loyalty and subvert his followers, you don’t have to.

A kid doesn’t compete with an adult — yet. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a future threat.

Especially with an aging product that’s already stepped in it with its most loyal fans.

I agree that right this minute, no, it’s no competition. But someone else in the kingdom accruing talent and trying to establish a brand should raise a smart king’s eyebrows.

It is simply true, and if NFL fans watch XFL after the NFL season is over then those fans are not diverted.

A child and a parent do compete, they both play in the same financial space. Some times mom gets a purse before dad gets an xbox game or a child gets a new toy.

So you are making a distinction without as difference. I am correct now but things could change? If things change then the reason they are not competing changes or goes away. No where in my post did I say "they will never compete".

In regards to the NFL market, watching XFL is no different than watching spring MLB which is actually in the same space as XFL

When or if the XFL moves its season to Sep-Jan or acquires enough cash to lure NFL players out of the NFL we can certainly revisit. I can see how some lower paid NFL players (kickers possibly) might entertain Playing NFL and XFL which proves they are not in competition or conflict as a person could do both. (baring contract language preventing that from happening)

WillMacKenzie · 03-04-2020, 09:45 AM

I misunderstood your point, I thought you were insinuating a “never” situation.

My pipe dream is getting back at Goodell and I’m jealously guarding my XFL messiah lol

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2020, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I misunderstood your point, I thought you were insinuating a “never” situation.

My pipe dream is getting back at Goodell and I’m jealously guarding my XFL messiah lol

I am the one insinuating a "never" situation because I feel it is financially impossible for the XFL ever build enough capital to approach the level required to attempt to compete. The NFL ownership is made up of 32 individuals (more or less with Green Bay) that each have more money than the single owner of the entire XFL. When the AFL challenged the NFL some 60 years ago the difference in financial stability was not that great. It was structured in relatively the same manner. To a lessor degree, the same could be said for the USFL, but the difference was great enough that it gave the NFL an edge that the USFL could not overcome. Today the NFL is so ingrained in every way that any hope to compete directly is impossible. The XFL's only chance at survival is to co-exist live off the scraps left by the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2020, 12:49 PM

The XFL looks like it may take a hit soon as I just heard a report that the NFL is trying to bring Dean Blandino back into the fold. Al Riveron has botched officiating since Blandino's departure. The pass interference rule was a disaster in the way it was handled. Talk is that bringing Blandino back could save the rule.

K Major · 03-04-2020, 12:59 PM

Blandino is just as bad.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2020, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Blandino is just as bad.

He has been very vocal about how the replays have been ruled on the PI calls. Riveron turned it into a farce.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2020, 09:20 AM

Cam Jordan will be appearing as a sideline reporter at this Saturday's XFL game between Dallas and New York.

K Major · 03-05-2020, 10:09 AM

I'm not sure how good NY's defense is however I do know first hand Dallas (Renegades) & Landry Jones is a pick 6 waiting to happen.

Cam should be plenty busy breaking down bad throws all day from him.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm not sure how good NY's defense is however I do know first hand Dallas (Renegades) & Landry Jones is a pick 6 waiting to happen.

Cam should be plenty busy breaking down bad throws all day from him.

Jones is one of the "premier" QB's getting paid the top end salary of $495K. The games are entertaining, but the viewer just needs to understand the quality cannot match either the NFL or the CFL at a fraction of the compensation.

03-04-2020, 08:55 AM	#81
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by jeanpierre Think you need to slow down and read the totality of Oak's post and not try to parse it out... The only competition would be in off-season merchandise sales to the NFL that limited disposable income of consumers might spend on the XFL. As so far as a future threat, HISTORY (for those who understand its importance to study, get it right) shows that if anything, should the XFL be viable, we'll see a merger of new markets and adoption of new rules... The future is what I’m getting at, considering the growing age of the NFL’s fanbase, the growing specter of refs fixing games, the growing female support (but also the domestic violence problem), the anthem issues, etc etc, it’s not completely out of the question that the NFL could be vulnerable. All that being said, I don’t know the motivations of the XFL, so I can’t say for certain what the really intend other than a spring league for castoffs to get more exposure and possibly sign with an NFL team in the future.

03-04-2020, 09:26 AM	#82
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Just not true. It’s can be incredibly stupid to fight the alpha head to head, but if you can develop a loyalty and subvert his followers, you don’t have to. A kid doesn’t compete with an adult — yet. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a future threat. Especially with an aging product that’s already stepped in it with its most loyal fans. I agree that right this minute, no, it’s no competition. But someone else in the kingdom accruing talent and trying to establish a brand should raise a smart king’s eyebrows. It is simply true, and if NFL fans watch XFL after the NFL season is over then those fans are not diverted. A child and a parent do compete, they both play in the same financial space. Some times mom gets a purse before dad gets an xbox game or a child gets a new toy. So you are making a distinction without as difference. I am correct now but things could change? If things change then the reason they are not competing changes or goes away. No where in my post did I say "they will never compete". In regards to the NFL market, watching XFL is no different than watching spring MLB which is actually in the same space as XFL When or if the XFL moves its season to Sep-Jan or acquires enough cash to lure NFL players out of the NFL we can certainly revisit. I can see how some lower paid NFL players (kickers possibly) might entertain Playing NFL and XFL which proves they are not in competition or conflict as a person could do both. (baring contract language preventing that from happening)
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-04-2020, 09:45 AM	#83
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL I misunderstood your point, I thought you were insinuating a “never” situation. My pipe dream is getting back at Goodell and I’m jealously guarding my XFL messiah lol

03-04-2020, 12:45 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I misunderstood your point, I thought you were insinuating a “never” situation. My pipe dream is getting back at Goodell and I’m jealously guarding my XFL messiah lol I am the one insinuating a "never" situation because I feel it is financially impossible for the XFL ever build enough capital to approach the level required to attempt to compete. The NFL ownership is made up of 32 individuals (more or less with Green Bay) that each have more money than the single owner of the entire XFL. When the AFL challenged the NFL some 60 years ago the difference in financial stability was not that great. It was structured in relatively the same manner. To a lessor degree, the same could be said for the USFL, but the difference was great enough that it gave the NFL an edge that the USFL could not overcome. Today the NFL is so ingrained in every way that any hope to compete directly is impossible. The XFL's only chance at survival is to co-exist live off the scraps left by the NFL.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

03-04-2020, 12:49 PM	#85
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL The XFL looks like it may take a hit soon as I just heard a report that the NFL is trying to bring Dean Blandino back into the fold. Al Riveron has botched officiating since Blandino's departure. The pass interference rule was a disaster in the way it was handled. Talk is that bringing Blandino back could save the rule.

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03-04-2020, 12:59 PM	#86
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Blandino is just as bad.

03-04-2020, 01:22 PM	#87
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by K Major Blandino is just as bad. He has been very vocal about how the replays have been ruled on the PI calls. Riveron turned it into a farce.

03-05-2020, 09:20 AM	#88
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Cam Jordan will be appearing as a sideline reporter at this Saturday's XFL game between Dallas and New York.

03-05-2020, 10:09 AM	#89
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL I'm not sure how good NY's defense is however I do know first hand Dallas (Renegades) & Landry Jones is a pick 6 waiting to happen. Cam should be plenty busy breaking down bad throws all day from him.

03-05-2020, 10:17 AM	#90
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: N/S Your take on the XFL Originally Posted by K Major I'm not sure how good NY's defense is however I do know first hand Dallas (Renegades) & Landry Jones is a pick 6 waiting to happen. Cam should be plenty busy breaking down bad throws all day from him. Jones is one of the "premier" QB's getting paid the top end salary of $495K. The games are entertaining, but the viewer just needs to understand the quality cannot match either the NFL or the CFL at a fraction of the compensation.