Do you see a 2020 season happening?

iceshack149 · 12-06-2021, 02:18 PM

Oy vey....

jnormand · 12-06-2021, 05:29 PM

Lol. Humanity is doomed. There will be a new variant every year for the government to scare everyone with and further divide a once great nation.

Have fun for the rest of your lives complaining and blaming others for a sickness that everyone will eventually get more than once regardless of vaccination status.

For everyone that has had it and gotten sick or has had it and died, there are thousands that have had it and been fine.

By all means, crucify those who won't conform. I'm sure your opinion and way of life is much more important than those you're angry at.

All unvaccinated will burn in hell. Give me a ****ing break.

So tired of all of this BS.

hitta · 12-07-2021, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Lol. Humanity is doomed. There will be a new variant every year for the government to scare everyone with and further divide a once great nation.

Have fun for the rest of your lives complaining and blaming others for a sickness that everyone will eventually get more than once regardless of vaccination status.

For everyone that has had it and gotten sick or has had it and died, there are thousands that have had it and been fine.

By all means, crucify those who won't conform. I'm sure your opinion and way of life is much more important than those you're angry at.

All unvaccinated will burn in hell. Give me a ****ing break.

So tired of all of this BS.

I don't believe in virus mandates and I believe everyone has the right to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not. I've always been a libertarian, and I believe in the right to choose. That being said, I think it's quite illogical not to get the vaccine. Someone will say some **** like "you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccine are" and all I can think is that you don't know what the long term effects of the virus are either. As log as the virus continues to saturate the world, we will continue to have new variants.. covid may never go away. The vaccines have been shown to prevent death and serious illness, even with the omicron variant. Most people do not understand how antibodies work, as it'd require a large amount of mutations to render the vaccine inert. You have all these different antibodies that attach to different parts of the spike protein and they tend to swarm latch on. When you have mutations some still stick, some don't stick like they used to.. you still have some protection. This is just talking about antibodies though, there is T-Cell immunity as well. If this continues you may end up with a variant that is much more deadly than the current ones in play. It doesn't make sense to me why someone would want to risk it. Hopefully we can get to a point where the saturation amongst the population is much lower and the mutations will slow down. When you have other non human carriers it'll be hard to ever get rid of the virus completely. That doesn't mean we should make this harder than we have to.

Rugby Saint II · 12-07-2021, 01:51 PM

Blame who you want to. I blame Covid and only Covid.

hitta · 12-07-2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Blame who you want to. I blame Covid and only Covid.

If a bullet is coming your way are you going to say I blame the bullet(shooter) and only the bullet(shooter) and not dodge it.

**** happens in life, we have to do our best to make lemons with lemonade(or some other stupid quote).

Editor's note: I know the above proverb is backwards, so stfu.

iceshack149 · 12-07-2021, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

If a bullet is coming your way are you going to say I blame the bullet(shooter) and only the bullet(shooter) and not dodge it.

**** happens in life, we have to do our best to make lemons with lemonade(or some other stupid quote).

Editor's note: I know the above proverb is backwards, so stfu.

jnormand · 12-07-2021, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I don't believe in virus mandates and I believe everyone has the right to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not. I've always been a libertarian, and I believe in the right to choose. That being said, I think it's quite illogical not to get the vaccine. Someone will say some **** like "you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccine are" and all I can think is that you don't know what the long term effects of the virus are either. As log as the virus continues to saturate the world, we will continue to have new variants.. covid may never go away. The vaccines have been shown to prevent death and serious illness, even with the omicron variant. Most people do not understand how antibodies work, as it'd require a large amount of mutations to render the vaccine inert. You have all these different antibodies that attach to different parts of the spike protein and they tend to swarm latch on. When you have mutations some still stick, some don't stick like they used to.. you still have some protection. This is just talking about antibodies though, there is T-Cell immunity as well. If this continues you may end up with a variant that is much more deadly than the current ones in play. It doesn't make sense to me why someone would want to risk it. Hopefully we can get to a point where the saturation amongst the population is much lower and the mutations will slow down. When you have other non human carriers it'll be hard to ever get rid of the virus completely. That doesn't mean we should make this harder than we have to.

Hitta, with all due respect, I don't agree with you. Bosty said it earlier, the deaths being attributed to Covid have been manipulated. I KNOW this.

Second man, just like the masks, the vaccines are not "proven" to do anything. They say they are, but they've given zero proof. Everyone should know that the virus itself effects everyone a little differently. So how the hell do they know how it would effect someone who is vaccinated and how it would effect that same person if not vaccinated?

I've had Covid. Twice. It barely did anything to me. I'm not vaccinated. I know it does terrible things to some people, but it barely effects others. Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars Pfizer, J&J and the others are making off this from the government?

The virus deaths have been manipulated. The virus has been used as political propaganda. The vaccination has been used as political ammunition and the media feeds it to people and scares them.

Now I'm not against people getting the vax. But Covid is here to stay. It will continue to mutate and every year there will be a different variant. It doesn't matter if 100% of American's get the stick or not.

But the vaccination DOES NOT stop a person from getting it or transmitting it. They say it lessens the likelihood of death. How the hell do they know that? Lol. People die from Covid that have been vaccinated all the time. Do you think the government wants you to know that? Of course not.

Look, everyone gets to believe what they want and have their own opinions.

I just hate that its pitting people against each other. It shouldn't. Because that's BS. And so much of this "pandemic" is being pushed while this country tears itself apart.

I respect your opinion.

hitta · 12-08-2021, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Hitta, with all due respect, I don't agree with you. Bosty said it earlier, the deaths being attributed to Covid have been manipulated. I KNOW this.

Second man, just like the masks, the vaccines are not "proven" to do anything. They say they are, but they've given zero proof. Everyone should know that the virus itself effects everyone a little differently. So how the hell do they know how it would effect someone who is vaccinated and how it would effect that same person if not vaccinated?

I've had Covid. Twice. It barely did anything to me. I'm not vaccinated. I know it does terrible things to some people, but it barely effects others. Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars Pfizer, J&J and the others are making off this from the government?

The virus deaths have been manipulated. The virus has been used as political propaganda. The vaccination has been used as political ammunition and the media feeds it to people and scares them.

Now I'm not against people getting the vax. But Covid is here to stay. It will continue to mutate and every year there will be a different variant. It doesn't matter if 100% of American's get the stick or not.

But the vaccination DOES NOT stop a person from getting it or transmitting it. They say it lessens the likelihood of death. How the hell do they know that? Lol. People die from Covid that have been vaccinated all the time. Do you think the government wants you to know that? Of course not.

Look, everyone gets to believe what they want and have their own opinions.

I just hate that its pitting people against each other. It shouldn't. Because that's BS. And so much of this "pandemic" is being pushed while this country tears itself apart.

I respect your opinion.

We are having a large amount of excess deaths. There isn't much of an explanation other than covid. If you look at the previous years and compare it to the covid years, the deaths far exceed the norm. There was a study done that showed that between March 2020 and Jan 2021, there were at least 522,328 excess deaths in comparison to what was estimated. There has to be something to attribute these excess deaths to.

gumbeau · 12-08-2021, 08:33 AM

Life is risky. In the big scheme of things, Covid is a minor risk, certainly not worth the draconian measures we have taken.

Excess deaths could very easily be due to the effects of the Covid Tyranny. The only Covid related death on my street I know of was when a 20 year old, stuck in the house with his mother, stabbed her to death in the kitchen.

Millions delayed medical treatment. Millions stopped exercising regularly. Millions suffered from depression and other mental illnesses and went untreated, with thousands committing suicide.

The elderly, isolated in Covid prisons, just decide to die from loneliness. Covid kills without infecting because we allowed fear to rule us and, as always, there are plenty who will gladly use fear to control and manipulate the weak.

saintfan · 12-08-2021, 09:03 AM

Oh...a new virus going around eh? Okay, so everybody...I KNOW the flu kills people, and I KNOW we've never mandated masks, but we have a very precarious political situation: We HAVE to get a Liberal back in the White House. We must do WHATEVER we have to do. Biden has lots of friends in CHINA...he's made BILLIONS there...lets do something...CHINA will play...

So people wear masks they don't understand how to use, and they do so because the GOVERNMENT says they have to, indoors AND (this is so stupid) OUTSIDE too, then we tell them to huddle up in their houses with filthy masks, no fresh air, etc., to remain "safe" from this highly transmittable thing...stay home, inside, and re-breath all that nasty air. Seriously people? Ya'll don't see the dumb here?

You can believe what they're telling you, or you can look for who has the most to gain. Covid is real. Sure. So are so many other things that "go around" and we get on with our lives...but not with this one...

Please remember, if you died of ANYTHING in the last year and a half but had Covid along the way, that's what you died from...whether you believe it or not.

And now I encourage everyone to have this lovely discussion over in the political forum.

12-06-2021, 02:18 PM	#91
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12-06-2021, 05:29 PM	#92
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Lol. Humanity is doomed. There will be a new variant every year for the government to scare everyone with and further divide a once great nation. Have fun for the rest of your lives complaining and blaming others for a sickness that everyone will eventually get more than once regardless of vaccination status. For everyone that has had it and gotten sick or has had it and died, there are thousands that have had it and been fine. By all means, crucify those who won't conform. I'm sure your opinion and way of life is much more important than those you're angry at. All unvaccinated will burn in hell. Give me a ****ing break. So tired of all of this BS. iceshack149 likes this.

12-07-2021, 09:26 AM	#93
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Originally Posted by jnormand Lol. Humanity is doomed. There will be a new variant every year for the government to scare everyone with and further divide a once great nation. Have fun for the rest of your lives complaining and blaming others for a sickness that everyone will eventually get more than once regardless of vaccination status. For everyone that has had it and gotten sick or has had it and died, there are thousands that have had it and been fine. By all means, crucify those who won't conform. I'm sure your opinion and way of life is much more important than those you're angry at. All unvaccinated will burn in hell. Give me a **ing break. So tired of all of this BS. I don't believe in virus mandates and I believe everyone has the right to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not. I've always been a libertarian, and I believe in the right to choose. That being said, I think it's quite illogical not to get the vaccine. Someone will say some ** like "you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccine are" and all I can think is that you don't know what the long term effects of the virus are either. As log as the virus continues to saturate the world, we will continue to have new variants.. covid may never go away. The vaccines have been shown to prevent death and serious illness, even with the omicron variant. Most people do not understand how antibodies work, as it'd require a large amount of mutations to render the vaccine inert. You have all these different antibodies that attach to different parts of the spike protein and they tend to swarm latch on. When you have mutations some still stick, some don't stick like they used to.. you still have some protection. This is just talking about antibodies though, there is T-Cell immunity as well. If this continues you may end up with a variant that is much more deadly than the current ones in play. It doesn't make sense to me why someone would want to risk it. Hopefully we can get to a point where the saturation amongst the population is much lower and the mutations will slow down. When you have other non human carriers it'll be hard to ever get rid of the virus completely. That doesn't mean we should make this harder than we have to. AsylumGuido likes this.
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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Blame who you want to. I blame Covid and only Covid. If a bullet is coming your way are you going to say I blame the bullet(shooter) and only the bullet(shooter) and not dodge it. **** happens in life, we have to do our best to make lemons with lemonade(or some other stupid quote). Editor's note: I know the above proverb is backwards, so stfu. jnormand likes this.
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12-07-2021, 07:14 PM	#96
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12-07-2021, 10:21 PM	#97
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Originally Posted by hitta I don't believe in virus mandates and I believe everyone has the right to choose whether they want to get vaccinated or not. I've always been a libertarian, and I believe in the right to choose. That being said, I think it's quite illogical not to get the vaccine. Someone will say some **** like "you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccine are" and all I can think is that you don't know what the long term effects of the virus are either. As log as the virus continues to saturate the world, we will continue to have new variants.. covid may never go away. The vaccines have been shown to prevent death and serious illness, even with the omicron variant. Most people do not understand how antibodies work, as it'd require a large amount of mutations to render the vaccine inert. You have all these different antibodies that attach to different parts of the spike protein and they tend to swarm latch on. When you have mutations some still stick, some don't stick like they used to.. you still have some protection. This is just talking about antibodies though, there is T-Cell immunity as well. If this continues you may end up with a variant that is much more deadly than the current ones in play. It doesn't make sense to me why someone would want to risk it. Hopefully we can get to a point where the saturation amongst the population is much lower and the mutations will slow down. When you have other non human carriers it'll be hard to ever get rid of the virus completely. That doesn't mean we should make this harder than we have to. Hitta, with all due respect, I don't agree with you. Bosty said it earlier, the deaths being attributed to Covid have been manipulated. I KNOW this. Second man, just like the masks, the vaccines are not "proven" to do anything. They say they are, but they've given zero proof. Everyone should know that the virus itself effects everyone a little differently. So how the hell do they know how it would effect someone who is vaccinated and how it would effect that same person if not vaccinated? I've had Covid. Twice. It barely did anything to me. I'm not vaccinated. I know it does terrible things to some people, but it barely effects others. Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars Pfizer, J&J and the others are making off this from the government? The virus deaths have been manipulated. The virus has been used as political propaganda. The vaccination has been used as political ammunition and the media feeds it to people and scares them. Now I'm not against people getting the vax. But Covid is here to stay. It will continue to mutate and every year there will be a different variant. It doesn't matter if 100% of American's get the stick or not. But the vaccination DOES NOT stop a person from getting it or transmitting it. They say it lessens the likelihood of death. How the hell do they know that? Lol. People die from Covid that have been vaccinated all the time. Do you think the government wants you to know that? Of course not. Look, everyone gets to believe what they want and have their own opinions. I just hate that its pitting people against each other. It shouldn't. Because that's BS. And so much of this "pandemic" is being pushed while this country tears itself apart. I respect your opinion. iceshack149 and Boston Saint like this.

12-08-2021, 03:52 AM	#98
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Originally Posted by jnormand Hitta, with all due respect, I don't agree with you. Bosty said it earlier, the deaths being attributed to Covid have been manipulated. I KNOW this. Second man, just like the masks, the vaccines are not "proven" to do anything. They say they are, but they've given zero proof. Everyone should know that the virus itself effects everyone a little differently. So how the hell do they know how it would effect someone who is vaccinated and how it would effect that same person if not vaccinated? I've had Covid. Twice. It barely did anything to me. I'm not vaccinated. I know it does terrible things to some people, but it barely effects others. Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars Pfizer, J&J and the others are making off this from the government? The virus deaths have been manipulated. The virus has been used as political propaganda. The vaccination has been used as political ammunition and the media feeds it to people and scares them. Now I'm not against people getting the vax. But Covid is here to stay. It will continue to mutate and every year there will be a different variant. It doesn't matter if 100% of American's get the stick or not. But the vaccination DOES NOT stop a person from getting it or transmitting it. They say it lessens the likelihood of death. How the hell do they know that? Lol. People die from Covid that have been vaccinated all the time. Do you think the government wants you to know that? Of course not. Look, everyone gets to believe what they want and have their own opinions. I just hate that its pitting people against each other. It shouldn't. Because that's BS. And so much of this "pandemic" is being pushed while this country tears itself apart. I respect your opinion. We are having a large amount of excess deaths. There isn't much of an explanation other than covid. If you look at the previous years and compare it to the covid years, the deaths far exceed the norm. There was a study done that showed that between March 2020 and Jan 2021, there were at least 522,328 excess deaths in comparison to what was estimated. There has to be something to attribute these excess deaths to.
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12-08-2021, 08:33 AM	#99
gumbeau Where Y'at? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 519	Re: Do you see a 2020 season happening? Life is risky. In the big scheme of things, Covid is a minor risk, certainly not worth the draconian measures we have taken. Excess deaths could very easily be due to the effects of the Covid Tyranny. The only Covid related death on my street I know of was when a 20 year old, stuck in the house with his mother, stabbed her to death in the kitchen. Millions delayed medical treatment. Millions stopped exercising regularly. Millions suffered from depression and other mental illnesses and went untreated, with thousands committing suicide. The elderly, isolated in Covid prisons, just decide to die from loneliness. Covid kills without infecting because we allowed fear to rule us and, as always, there are plenty who will gladly use fear to control and manipulate the weak. iceshack149 and Boston Saint like this.

12-08-2021, 09:03 AM	#100
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