Jameis Winston 1 yr deal

saintsfan1976 · 04-29-2020, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

15th in total yards... put whatever other spin you want on it.

That's not spin. It's pretty evident.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2020, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Severe aptitude issue. Also lazy. Would not be surprised if he gets beat out in camp and cut by a rookie. I actually expect this happening. He doesn't have that level of commitment. Relies on his physical attributes and calls it a day.

You want to place a bet on that? LOL!!

saintsfan1976 · 04-29-2020, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW.

A lot of you people that were talking smack about Teddy are going to be missing him dearly if Winston sees much playing time next year, or whatever year they play again.

Winston had an historic season for INT's. No doubt 2019 was abysmal in that department. But historically, Jameis has had statistical seasons very similar to Drew Brees.

I"m not smart enough to see his INT's were all his fault so I'll trust that you do.

And I don't recall anyone here giving Teddy B anything but love and appreciation for his time and accomplishments in New Orleans. He was the ideal teammate and backup QB who was just too good (expensive) to keep on the bench. We'll ALL miss that kind of player.

But your insinuation that Winston will produce the same level of INTs in a new offense with new players and coaches is a stretch IMO. We'll see.

SmashMouth · 04-29-2020, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back.

24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think?

Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU.

spkb25 · 04-29-2020, 07:30 AM

Big Daddy Payton doing some fine eating tonight

spkb25 · 04-29-2020, 07:31 AM

the upside for JW is really high.

spkb25 · 04-29-2020, 07:32 AM

And if reports are accurate he turned down a more lucrative offer then this is not all about money for him and indicates some level of commitment to the game

saintsfan1976 · 04-29-2020, 07:45 AM

I was curious so I researched further. Nick Underhill has a great article out today in which he examines every single interception Winston threw in the 2019 season.

https://neworleans.football/breaking...ds-to-improve/

I won't share it all. Nick's site requires a subscription and he lives off the money. But here's a sample:

Jameis Winston can be an outstanding quarterback.

There have been moments and games throughout his career where he looks the part, the prodigious talent who was once a first-overall draft pick. There have been times when he lived up to the Peyton Manning comparisons he drew coming out of Florida State, and there were probably times when Tampa Bay, at least early on, believed he would be the backbone of the franchise.

But those moments never seemed to last more than a moment, because the bad version of Winston, the one who loses games for his team, always showed up to derail his progress. Some things happened in Tampa Bay last season that were not entirely his fault, but there is a reason no one wants him to start.

To better understand why that is happening, and what led him to New Orleans’ doorstep, I decided to watch Winston’s worst moments. I know he has ridiculous talent — everyone does – but he is signing with the Saints because he has significant issues and needs help. I wanted to see those issues for myself and gain an understanding of what Winston might be focusing on during the next year. So, I decided to breakdown all 30 of his interceptions last year to help paint a picture.

Nick goes on to state Winston threw 14 INTs under pressure and saw that pressure on 30% of his drop backs (o line). For comparison, Brees saw pressure 18% of drop backs.

I would highly recommend subscribing. Nick's content has been the best of his peers for years now.

Beastmode · 04-29-2020, 08:15 AM

It's not just picks. Last 3 years he fumbled 34 times.

K Major · 04-29-2020, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW.

Would you rather we signed Chase Daniels, Brian Hoyer or Cooper Rush? Three guys who probably aren't going to win you a game if heaven forbid Brees ever got hurt.

Winston is probably the best "back up" out there.

04-29-2020, 06:55 AM	#131
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,547 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold 15th in total yards... put whatever other spin you want on it. That's not spin. It's pretty evident.

04-29-2020, 06:55 AM	#132
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by Beastmode Severe aptitude issue. Also lazy. Would not be surprised if he gets beat out in camp and cut by a rookie. I actually expect this happening. He doesn't have that level of commitment. Relies on his physical attributes and calls it a day. You want to place a bet on that? LOL!!

04-29-2020, 07:03 AM	#133
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,547 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by SaintGnome Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW. A lot of you people that were talking smack about Teddy are going to be missing him dearly if Winston sees much playing time next year, or whatever year they play again. Winston had an historic season for INT's. No doubt 2019 was abysmal in that department. But historically, Jameis has had statistical seasons very similar to Drew Brees. I"m not smart enough to see his INT's were all his fault so I'll trust that you do. And I don't recall anyone here giving Teddy B anything but love and appreciation for his time and accomplishments in New Orleans. He was the ideal teammate and backup QB who was just too good (expensive) to keep on the bench. We'll ALL miss that kind of player. But your insinuation that Winston will produce the same level of INTs in a new offense with new players and coaches is a stretch IMO. We'll see.

04-29-2020, 07:29 AM	#134
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,077 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by rezburna And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back. 24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think? Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU.

04-29-2020, 07:30 AM	#135
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04-29-2020, 07:31 AM	#136
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal And if reports are accurate he turned down a more lucrative offer then this is not all about money for him and indicates some level of commitment to the game darksoul35 likes this.

04-29-2020, 07:45 AM	#138
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,547 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal I was curious so I researched further. Nick Underhill has a great article out today in which he examines every single interception Winston threw in the 2019 season. https://neworleans.football/breaking...ds-to-improve/ I won't share it all. Nick's site requires a subscription and he lives off the money. But here's a sample: Jameis Winston can be an outstanding quarterback. There have been moments and games throughout his career where he looks the part, the prodigious talent who was once a first-overall draft pick. There have been times when he lived up to the Peyton Manning comparisons he drew coming out of Florida State, and there were probably times when Tampa Bay, at least early on, believed he would be the backbone of the franchise. But those moments never seemed to last more than a moment, because the bad version of Winston, the one who loses games for his team, always showed up to derail his progress. Some things happened in Tampa Bay last season that were not entirely his fault, but there is a reason no one wants him to start. To better understand why that is happening, and what led him to New Orleans’ doorstep, I decided to watch Winston’s worst moments. I know he has ridiculous talent — everyone does – but he is signing with the Saints because he has significant issues and needs help. I wanted to see those issues for myself and gain an understanding of what Winston might be focusing on during the next year. So, I decided to breakdown all 30 of his interceptions last year to help paint a picture. Nick goes on to state Winston threw 14 INTs under pressure and saw that pressure on 30% of his drop backs (o line). For comparison, Brees saw pressure 18% of drop backs. I would highly recommend subscribing. Nick's content has been the best of his peers for years now. Beastmode likes this.

04-29-2020, 08:15 AM	#139
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal It's not just picks. Last 3 years he fumbled 34 times.
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04-29-2020, 08:23 AM	#140
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,063 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by SaintGnome Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW. Would you rather we signed Chase Daniels, Brian Hoyer or Cooper Rush? Three guys who probably aren't going to win you a game if heaven forbid Brees ever got hurt. Winston is probably the best "back up" out there. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and darksoul35 like this.