Jameis Winston 1 yr deal

frydaddy · 04-26-2020, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I want to be clear, as I have been critical of Winston in this thread. I think he has the ability to be a great QB but he lacks the mental liquidity to make the correct throws and anticipate defensive schemes. Now perhaps that eye surgery he had will make him see the field better. Perhaps he turns it around and becomes an amazing QB.

My issue is not with Winston, it is with a large contract being paid to a position that will likely have no impact. Putting teddy in when Drew was hurt was a low risk move, but if we have to put Winston in... why not just roll with Hill who is less risky and supposedly the next Steve Young.

It makes as much sense as overpaying for a LG and having a RG who went to the pro bowl, then you draft a G in the first round for a Super Bowl ready team.

These moves don’t smell like a win now mentality, but perhaps that’s the right approach...

Well we don't know what the details of the contract will be. My guess is that it will be a pretty cheap deal. As to the assumption that Taysom is less of a risk than Winston if Drew goes down, I have to disagree. Winston has played 5 seasons as a starter in this league. Taysom has thrown less than 10 passes in his career thus far. At no point has he shown that he is anywhere near ready to take over as a starter. The Steve Young comparison is wishful thinking on Payton's part. I love Taysom and all that he brings to the table, but potential starter ability is not one of those things, unless in extreme emergency. He has found his role in this league and needs to accept that he will never be a starter, probably not even a legit #2.

voodooido · 04-26-2020, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Quick - name another backup QB who threw for 5,000yds and 30 TDs.

I’ll wait.

You forgot the 30 interceptions. Can you name one backup that tree 30 ints? I’ll wait.....

44Champs · 04-26-2020, 02:46 PM

I'm worried more about him being a cancer in the locker Room than his play on the field

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blackangold · 04-26-2020, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Because Hill isn't the QB of the future, nor the backup. THAT is clear.

This absolutely reeks of a win now mentality to me. Get a cheap Winston on a one year deal so you can use Hill to his fullest capacity as a WR/everything else.

I don’t agree it being a win now mentality, it’s the opposite, in fact you’d have to perform mental gymnastics to take that position. That said I am not shocked your towing the company line, I’ve never read a post from you criticizing the front office.

Hill would have been used to his fullest capability every game, this isn’t the NBA. Let’s not forget we just drafted a QB who is basically the same skill set as Hill.

You also don’t know it’s cheap, but what do you consider cheap? Then look at what you could have had through FA or trade acquisition that would have been better for example, trading for the Jags DE.

Lord_Saint83 · 04-26-2020, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

You forgot the 30 interceptions. Can you name one backup that tree 30 ints? I’ll wait.....

Nathan peterman was on track

The Dude · 04-26-2020, 03:07 PM

He will be trade bait for a contending franchise that has a QB go down. He’s an ******* and I don’t see how he fits into our locker room.
Could be worse, it could be Newton.

AsylumGuido · 04-26-2020, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He will be trade bait for a contending franchise that has a QB go down. He’s an ******* and I don’t see how he fits into our locker room.
Could be worse, it could be Newton.

Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him.

rezburna · 04-26-2020, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him.

Exactly.

homerj07 · 04-26-2020, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

Good. Lots of upside with this dude. I know a lot of people here make fun of him (me too, pre game speeches etc.) but his talent can't be ignored. When Drew retires we may have franchise QB tied to his prime years at reasonable price. I like Taysom Hill but he isn't long term answer at QB position.

Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS.

He will be a cancer in the locker room.

I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now.

AsylumGuido · 04-26-2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS.

He will be a cancer in the locker room.

I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now.

He'll be anything but a cancer in the locker room. I'm not a huge fan, but I do know for a FACT that the other players love him. Even Saints players are giving their support. I can see how he might be a cancer on the living room sofa for some fans, but it is a very smart move for the Saints and I am sure they care more about winning than a few selected fans' personal feelings.

04-26-2020, 02:11 PM	#61
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold I want to be clear, as I have been critical of Winston in this thread. I think he has the ability to be a great QB but he lacks the mental liquidity to make the correct throws and anticipate defensive schemes. Now perhaps that eye surgery he had will make him see the field better. Perhaps he turns it around and becomes an amazing QB. My issue is not with Winston, it is with a large contract being paid to a position that will likely have no impact. Putting teddy in when Drew was hurt was a low risk move, but if we have to put Winston in... why not just roll with Hill who is less risky and supposedly the next Steve Young. It makes as much sense as overpaying for a LG and having a RG who went to the pro bowl, then you draft a G in the first round for a Super Bowl ready team. These moves don’t smell like a win now mentality, but perhaps that’s the right approach... Well we don't know what the details of the contract will be. My guess is that it will be a pretty cheap deal. As to the assumption that Taysom is less of a risk than Winston if Drew goes down, I have to disagree. Winston has played 5 seasons as a starter in this league. Taysom has thrown less than 10 passes in his career thus far. At no point has he shown that he is anywhere near ready to take over as a starter. The Steve Young comparison is wishful thinking on Payton's part. I love Taysom and all that he brings to the table, but potential starter ability is not one of those things, unless in extreme emergency. He has found his role in this league and needs to accept that he will never be a starter, probably not even a legit #2.
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04-26-2020, 02:46 PM	#62
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Quick - name another backup QB who threw for 5,000yds and 30 TDs. I’ll wait. You forgot the 30 interceptions. Can you name one backup that tree 30 ints? I’ll wait..... jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 44Champs like this.
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04-26-2020, 02:47 PM	#64
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Because Hill isn't the QB of the future, nor the backup. THAT is clear. This absolutely reeks of a win now mentality to me. Get a cheap Winston on a one year deal so you can use Hill to his fullest capacity as a WR/everything else. I don’t agree it being a win now mentality, it’s the opposite, in fact you’d have to perform mental gymnastics to take that position. That said I am not shocked your towing the company line, I’ve never read a post from you criticizing the front office. Hill would have been used to his fullest capability every game, this isn’t the NBA. Let’s not forget we just drafted a QB who is basically the same skill set as Hill. You also don’t know it’s cheap, but what do you consider cheap? Then look at what you could have had through FA or trade acquisition that would have been better for example, trading for the Jags DE.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,217	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by The Dude He will be trade bait for a contending franchise that has a QB go down. He’s an ******* and I don’t see how he fits into our locker room. Could be worse, it could be Newton. Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him. RailBoss, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, he is well liked in the locker room. It opposing fans that hate him. Exactly. RailBoss likes this.

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homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by brees84 Good. Lots of upside with this dude. I know a lot of people here make fun of him (me too, pre game speeches etc.) but his talent can't be ignored. When Drew retires we may have franchise QB tied to his prime years at reasonable price. I like Taysom Hill but he isn't long term answer at QB position. Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS. He will be a cancer in the locker room. I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now. jnormand, voodooido and Utah_Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,217	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by homerj07 Sorry, screw talent. He is a piece of crap. Rapist, thief, stuck-up braggart POS. He will be a cancer in the locker room. I can't express how dissapointed I am in the Saints right now. He'll be anything but a cancer in the locker room. I'm not a huge fan, but I do know for a FACT that the other players love him. Even Saints players are giving their support. I can see how he might be a cancer on the living room sofa for some fans, but it is a very smart move for the Saints and I am sure they care more about winning than a few selected fans' personal feelings. rezburna likes this.