Jameis Winston 1 yr deal

AsylumGuido · 04-28-2020, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

They were 1st against the run because they were so horrible against the pass (29th) that teams didn't attempt to run as much against them. 4th fewest rushing attempts against in the league.

The Dude · 04-28-2020, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I wonder if the league is shifting again in focus. We have had around a decade of pass first, throwing QBs. I mean there cannot have been many eras this full of talented QBs Brees, Brady, Rogers, Manning at the very elite. Now a younger generation has arrived the last few years, those that don't want to stay in the pocket, that can create as the field starts to break with Wilson and now Jackson, Watson and Maholmes. All work well with one elite receiver and players that can work after the catch and cheaper but more RBs to compliment.

Teams started drafting smaller at LB to cope with the pass, wonder if this will lead to teams looking to exploit that.

Just mumbling outloud

Comes full circle. Defenses will get smaller and faster so offenses will eventually get bigger with bruiser backs and big possession receivers that are hard to bring down. Plus running QBs will probably be around 5yrs or so average. My take anyway.
Then again I don’t know much about this.

ChrisXVI · 04-28-2020, 06:27 PM

It’s official now:

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halloween 65 · 04-28-2020, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Comes full circle. Defenses will get smaller and faster so offenses will eventually get bigger with bruiser backs and big possession receivers that are hard to bring down. Plus running QBs will probably be around 5yrs or so average. My take anyway.
Then again I don’t know much about this.

I agree. Look at Tenn. with Henry, a punishing rb going against a small lb, cb or s, with a full steam, not very many want to get flattened like a cat hit by a mack truck.

SaintGnome · 04-28-2020, 07:22 PM

Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW.

A lot of you people that were talking smack about Teddy are going to be missing him dearly if Winston sees much playing time next year, or whatever year they play again.

ChrisXVI · 04-28-2020, 07:44 PM

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The Dude · 04-28-2020, 08:18 PM

I just keep telling myself he’s just a backup and it’s not like we are bringing him in to start. Who knows maybe he will get his act together but I am not holding my breath. He’s a better Qb than Teddy but I would still take Teddy as backup any day. We won games with Teddy because he didn’t turn the ball over and let the defense and special teams do their jobs.. Can’t say the same for Winston.

blackangold · 04-28-2020, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They were 1st against the run because they were so horrible against the pass (29th) that teams didn't attempt to run as much against them. 4th fewest rushing attempts against in the league.

15th in total yards... put whatever other spin you want on it.

Beastmode · 04-28-2020, 10:59 PM

Severe aptitude issue. Also lazy. Would not be surprised if he gets beat out in camp and cut by a rookie. I actually expect this happening. He doesn't have that level of commitment. Relies on his physical attributes and calls it a day.

TheOak · 04-29-2020, 03:44 AM

If Tom Brady just came in to my division I might pick up his new team's last QB for a year as well.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position. They were 1st against the run because they were so horrible against the pass (29th) that teams didn't attempt to run as much against them. 4th fewest rushing attempts against in the league. saintsfan1976, rezburna and RefsRobbedUs like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by lee909 I wonder if the league is shifting again in focus. We have had around a decade of pass first, throwing QBs. I mean there cannot have been many eras this full of talented QBs Brees, Brady, Rogers, Manning at the very elite. Now a younger generation has arrived the last few years, those that don't want to stay in the pocket, that can create as the field starts to break with Wilson and now Jackson, Watson and Maholmes. All work well with one elite receiver and players that can work after the catch and cheaper but more RBs to compliment. Teams started drafting smaller at LB to cope with the pass, wonder if this will lead to teams looking to exploit that. Just mumbling outloud Comes full circle. Defenses will get smaller and faster so offenses will eventually get bigger with bruiser backs and big possession receivers that are hard to bring down. Plus running QBs will probably be around 5yrs or so average. My take anyway. Then again I don’t know much about this. halloween 65 likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by The Dude Comes full circle. Defenses will get smaller and faster so offenses will eventually get bigger with bruiser backs and big possession receivers that are hard to bring down. Plus running QBs will probably be around 5yrs or so average. My take anyway. Then again I don’t know much about this. I agree. Look at Tenn. with Henry, a punishing rb going against a small lb, cb or s, with a full steam, not very many want to get flattened like a cat hit by a mack truck. jnormand likes this.

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Not thrilled about this. I get it if your O-line is terrible, you're running for your life, and you're chucking ducks to the other team. That makes sense, and I can't be mad at you. JW coughs up a lot of his INT's while not under duress. Arians the supposed "QB whisperer" gave up on him after just one year. Yeah, I know Brady fell to them but still. He supposedly came to Tampa to work with JW. A lot of you people that were talking smack about Teddy are going to be missing him dearly if Winston sees much playing time next year, or whatever year they play again. blackangold likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal I just keep telling myself he’s just a backup and it’s not like we are bringing him in to start. Who knows maybe he will get his act together but I am not holding my breath. He’s a better Qb than Teddy but I would still take Teddy as backup any day. We won games with Teddy because he didn’t turn the ball over and let the defense and special teams do their jobs.. Can’t say the same for Winston.
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They were 1st against the run because they were so horrible against the pass (29th) that teams didn't attempt to run as much against them. 4th fewest rushing attempts against in the league. 15th in total yards... put whatever other spin you want on it.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Severe aptitude issue. Also lazy. Would not be surprised if he gets beat out in camp and cut by a rookie. I actually expect this happening. He doesn't have that level of commitment. Relies on his physical attributes and calls it a day.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal If Tom Brady just came in to my division I might pick up his new team's last QB for a year as well. SmashMouth likes this.