2022 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

saintsfan1976 · 06-12-2021, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Have we?

Perhaps Senio at LG in the playoffs the past couple of years allows Sean to sit an injured, ineffective Peat?

"Ifs & Ands"

jeanpierre · 06-12-2021, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

"Ifs & Ands"

If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point?

gosaints1 · 06-12-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point?

The Saints breed offensive linemen like no other team, that doesn’t always translate to their success with another team though. Senio was one of those players..., Was one of the top guards in the league while here, especially in 2017, but went to Houston and contributed to a pretty crappy offensive line there. A bit of analysis is in order, iyam, from 2017.

“In his career-high 314 pass-blocking snaps at guard with the New Orleans Saints last season, Kelemete allowed just eight total pressures (five hurries, two hits, one sack), which was good for a 98.0 pass-blocking efficiency.”

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfls-to...ing-efficiency

A horrible run blocker though, exact opposite of his pass blocking skills. Performed horribly while in Houston though at run and pass blocking. Senio was a quiet performer while in New Orleans. Did his job very well, better than most in the NFL, day in/day out. I liked him then, still do now. Unheralded.

FinSaint · 06-12-2021, 02:12 AM

No offense to Kelemete, but he left the Saints to be a starter, which is something he wouldn't have been with the Saints.

And if we are going to play the "what if" game then I'd say the Saints could've added much better guards through the draft and/or free agency since he left.

jeanpierre · 06-12-2021, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

No offense to Kelemete, but he left the Saints to be a starter, which is something he wouldn't have been with the Saints.

Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line?

and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing...

Originally Posted by FinSaint

And if we are going to play the "what if" game then I'd say the Saints could've added much better guards through the draft and/or free agency since he left.

Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask,

Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick?

Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford?

How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)...

AsylumGuido · 06-12-2021, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line?

and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing...

Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask,

Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick?

Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford?

How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)...

You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here.

jeanpierre · 06-13-2021, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here.

Then there's the whole some agents, agencies and Saints Front Office agreeable, disagreeable dispositions...

AsylumGuido · 06-13-2021, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Then there's the whole some agents, agencies and Saints Front Office agreeable, disagreeable dispositions...

Something else I just noticed about Zeitler, he's never played below the Mason-Dixon line. Not even close to it.

FinSaint · 06-12-2021, 05:04 PM

I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.

gosaints1 · 06-12-2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.

Fair point..., but dude was the 4th best pass blocking guard in all of football from a statistical point of view..., when it comes to passing, lol, the year before he left NoLa.

2017 he had 314 pass blocking snaps. Allowing only 8 pressures, 5 hurries, 2 QB hits, and 1 sack. From a pass blocking perspective, you can’t get much better than him.

06-12-2021, 06:49 AM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Have we? Perhaps Senio at LG in the playoffs the past couple of years allows Sean to sit an injured, ineffective Peat? "Ifs & Ands"

06-12-2021, 10:02 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 "Ifs & Ands" If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point?

06-12-2021, 10:41 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point? The Saints breed offensive linemen like no other team, that doesn’t always translate to their success with another team though. Senio was one of those players..., Was one of the top guards in the league while here, especially in 2017, but went to Houston and contributed to a pretty crappy offensive line there. A bit of analysis is in order, iyam, from 2017. “In his career-high 314 pass-blocking snaps at guard with the New Orleans Saints last season, Kelemete allowed just eight total pressures (five hurries, two hits, one sack), which was good for a 98.0 pass-blocking efficiency.” https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfls-to...ing-efficiency A horrible run blocker though, exact opposite of his pass blocking skills. Performed horribly while in Houston though at run and pass blocking. Senio was a quiet performer while in New Orleans. Did his job very well, better than most in the NFL, day in/day out. I liked him then, still do now. Unheralded.
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576

06-12-2021, 02:12 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints No offense to Kelemete, but he left the Saints to be a starter, which is something he wouldn't have been with the Saints. And if we are going to play the "what if" game then I'd say the Saints could've added much better guards through the draft and/or free agency since he left.

06-12-2021, 09:56 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint No offense to Kelemete, but he left the Saints to be a starter, which is something he wouldn't have been with the Saints. Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line? and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing... Originally Posted by FinSaint And if we are going to play the "what if" game then I'd say the Saints could've added much better guards through the draft and/or free agency since he left. Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask, Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick? Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford? How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

06-12-2021, 01:13 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line? and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing... Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask, Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick? Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford? How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)... You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here.

06-13-2021, 12:17 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here. Then there's the whole some agents, agencies and Saints Front Office agreeable, disagreeable dispositions...

06-13-2021, 08:19 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Then there's the whole some agents, agencies and Saints Front Office agreeable, disagreeable dispositions... Something else I just noticed about Zeitler, he's never played below the Mason-Dixon line. Not even close to it.

06-12-2021, 05:04 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him. Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times. He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.

06-12-2021, 06:20 PM	#10
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him. Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times. He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity. Fair point..., but dude was the 4th best pass blocking guard in all of football from a statistical point of view..., when it comes to passing, lol, the year before he left NoLa. 2017 he had 314 pass blocking snaps. Allowing only 8 pressures, 5 hurries, 2 QB hits, and 1 sack. From a pass blocking perspective, you can’t get much better than him.
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576