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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre God Help Us if everyone begins running their lives based on polling, tribalism... Besides, the aggregate history is proving my point to be correct... What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point? ...
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04-12-2021, 01:39 PM | #511 |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
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What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by Boston Saint
When you're using multiple picks to improve one position, you're now unable to improve others...
Regarding Kamara, trading a second the following year for a third round pick this year is one thing when you know the player is a hit, and you get him a year early... Trading multiple picks is what I've criticized: Mark Ingram (rookie contract) cost a second and a first - he never had 1000 RuYds / Season on his rookie contract; hated the pick, loved the free agent... Marcus Davenport cost two first round picks and a fifth - we're still waiting on that breakout (healthy) season... Vonn Bell cost us two, three draft picks as one of the picks traded could have been used to take David Onyemata, who also took two picks to make for his selection... Erik McCoy cost two seconds, and a sixth; actually one of the less costly investments... |
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04-12-2021, 01:47 PM | #513 |
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04-12-2021, 01:55 PM | #514 |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
What gaffes?
Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen. |
04-12-2021, 03:53 PM | #515 |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
JP, I'll bet there are just as many FA wins as there were losses. Every team goes through them. Heck, we had bad contracts on our Superbowl Team so it happens regardless.
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04-12-2021, 04:34 PM | #516 |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?
#GTFOH The question is - should they get a pass? |
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04-12-2021, 04:36 PM | #517 |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
'76, go through the moves the past years, analyze them, let me know what you come up with as I see crucial moves, but moves that also limited their ceiling...
Saving grace has been some hits in the mid-rounds in the draft and with UDFA rookies... |
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Yes. The Patriots were lucky that they were in a sorry division that allowed them a guaranteed entry into the postseason some 16 out of 18 years. They also had the greatest QB of all time. Then again, ten of those 16 years were failures based upon your apparent definition of not winning it all. So that means Belichick sucked more years than not, right?
Baltimore had their own breaks along the way. Yes, it takes skill, and preparation, and knowledge. But it also take the right series of fortunate events. The Saints have had the skill, preparation, and knowledge required, but came up short due to untimely injuries, questionable (blatantly wrong) calls and a singular bad play here or there. That's NOT on Loomis or Payton. That's just how the cookie crumbles. |
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04-12-2021, 05:20 PM | #519 |
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Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
You are using hindsight to criticize. Did the Chiefs make a mistake trading up to get Mahomes? And as far as free agency, do the names Fleener, Meridith, Byrd, and Bailey ring any bells. FA signings are as risky as drafting. And trading up to get the second all time leading rusher in franchise history is hardly a mistake. You can try to knock it by dividing his career into draft vs free agent years but that’s nonsense. I’m in no way saying the saints have made every decision correct by any means. But you seem to be saying they’ve made every one wrong.
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