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2022 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by lee909 Lets be honest division titles are nice and all and show a team is consistently good. But if i offered anyone what would you take of the two options below i'd be surprised if anyone took ...

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Old 04-13-2021, 01:44 PM   #531
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Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

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Lets be honest division titles are nice and all and show a team is consistently good. But if i offered anyone what would you take of the two options below i'd be surprised if anyone took option A

Option A
49-15
4 Division Titles
One loss in the NFC Championship game


Or

28-36
0 Division Titles
1 Playoff Apperance
1 Superbowl


Nobody remembers division winners long term
The team has consistantly found a way to beat itself this past 4 years, barring the one loss to the Vikings in the playoffs where they beat the Saints line up all night they have pretty much blown every game they have lost in the playoffs. They kept pilling up the chips year after year and going for broke and if we like it or not the went bust trying to do it. Know you hope they can retool quickly and get back into contention. The worse possible situation happened in regards to the drop in league finances,but even without that they were still not in credit for cap space and would still have been having to push money down the road. Now that may not have been a issue to get deals done but it also hurts you if you get a player hitting FA. I don't think there is much doubt had the Saints been in a better financial position in regards to the cap they may well have filled in the joles in FA and then really gone after a QB like Wilson as the draft picks wouldn't have been as needed. But now they are at a point that they may be forced to trade up and give up future picks just to fill glaring holes at LB,CB and depth elsewhere. If they get this draft wrong it would be a very long year.

All you have to do is look at the current depth chart

DT which was a massive strong point in the past few years has gone from having Onyemata,Rankins and Brown rotating and Roach and Tuttle for back up to being Onyemata and Tuttle with Roach,Glasgow and Dalton as depth.

CB its Lattimore and Patrick Robinson(missed 22 games in the last 3 years). With Haley and Washington as back up or maybe PJ Williams.

WR, WR2 is Tre'Quan Smith
The career stat line of all our WR outside of Thomas
131 Receptions - 14 TDs.



I don't blame the team for trying to win it all but when you don't and the roster is left with these holes there is legitimate questions to ask. If Brees hadn't been the QB would they have risked everything for one last shot, i don't think so. Its felt like they threw all the eggs in one basket for Drew to get another ring and as much as people love him the team comes first.
But what pick that time frame. Go back to the beginning of Payton’s tenure and make that same comparison and what do you get? Everyone would take the Saints over the Bucs.
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Old 04-13-2021, 01:50 PM   #532
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But what pick that time frame. Go back to the beginning of Payton’s tenure and make that same comparison and what do you get? Everyone would take the Saints over the Bucs.
But its the past 4 years that they have been going down the path of one last shot and really being aggressive of pushing the money and void years on contracts. And its now that that era of the team is done and the piper has had to be paid until the new deal comes into place.
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But its the past 4 years that they have been going down the path of one last shot and really being aggressive of pushing the money and void years on contracts. And its now that that era of the team is done and the piper has had to be paid until the new deal comes into place.
I guess, but I don’t look at it like that. Since Payton/Loomis took over they have tried to win the SB every year. Since they took over, only NE has more SB wins than them and probably only 2-3 teams have better overall records than them. If people don’t want to recognize and appreciate that success then I feel bad for them. Add to this the Bounty gate screw and the PI non-call and the Saints have a badge of honor in my mind.
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Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.
Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?
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Therein lies the issue.
It's only emotional for you...
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only NE has more SB wins than them
And the Giants and Steelers who have both won 2 Superbowls since 06
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Realistic return for Kwon and any workouts for potential suitors is in October.

Unfortunately KA is injury prone & coming off a substantial one.

Saints must draft another LB.
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Old 04-13-2021, 04:38 PM   #538
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And the Giants and Steelers who have both won 2 Superbowls since 06
You are right, I missed those. I should have said since the Saints won the SB, not since Payton took over. But the comparison team you put forward is not one of those teams, correct ?
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Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?
And I'll repeat, of course not. If criticism is warranted then sure. But to blame them for ONLY winning a single Super Bowl is foolish. They receive plenty of warranted criticism as has been pointed out, as does every single GM and head coach in the NFL. You, however, seem to want to blame anything and everything on the two of them. Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect. But reading your constant berating of them leads one to believe they are the worse GM/coach pairing to have ever walked the earth.
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It's only emotional for you...
Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional).
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