And the Giants and Steelers who have both won 2 Superbowls since 06

Lets be honest division titles are nice and all and show a team is consistently good. But if i offered anyone what would you take of the two options below i'd be surprised if anyone took option A

Option A
49-15
4 Division Titles
One loss in the NFC Championship game


Or

28-36
0 Division Titles
1 Playoff Apperance
1 Superbowl


Nobody remembers division winners long term
The team has consistantly found a way to beat itself this past 4 years, barring the one loss to the Vikings in the playoffs where they beat the Saints line up all night they have pretty much blown every game they have lost in the playoffs. They kept pilling up the chips year after year and going for broke and if we like it or not the went bust trying to do it. Know you hope they can retool quickly and get back into contention. The worse possible situation happened in regards to the drop in league finances,but even without that they were still not in credit for cap space and would still have been having to push money down the road. Now that may not have been a issue to get deals done but it also hurts you if you get a player hitting FA. I don't think there is much doubt had the Saints been in a better financial position in regards to the cap they may well have filled in the joles in FA and then really gone after a QB like Wilson as the draft picks wouldn't have been as needed. But now they are at a point that they may be forced to trade up and give up future picks just to fill glaring holes at LB,CB and depth elsewhere. If they get this draft wrong it would be a very long year.

All you have to do is look at the current depth chart

DT which was a massive strong point in the past few years has gone from having Onyemata,Rankins and Brown rotating and Roach and Tuttle for back up to being Onyemata and Tuttle with Roach,Glasgow and Dalton as depth.

CB its Lattimore and Patrick Robinson(missed 22 games in the last 3 years). With Haley and Washington as back up or maybe PJ Williams.

WR, WR2 is Tre'Quan Smith
The career stat line of all our WR outside of Thomas
131 Receptions - 14 TDs.



I don't blame the team for trying to win it all but when you don't and the roster is left with these holes there is legitimate questions to ask. If Brees hadn't been the QB would they have risked everything for one last shot, i don't think so. Its felt like they threw all the eggs in one basket for Drew to get another ring and as much as people love him the team comes first.

Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional).

You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you...

Realistic return for Kwon and any workouts for potential suitors is in October.

Unfortunately KA is injury prone & coming off a substantial one.

Saints must draft another LB.

Not true. If the criticism is warranted I have no problem. We simply have a differing viewpoint of when and what is warranted. In certain areas their philosophy differs from yours. In certain areas your philosophies differ from mine. That doesn't make any of us wrong. It means we favor different approaches.

Name instances you've criticized Payton, Loomis - we'll wait...

You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you...

Not true. If the criticism is warranted I have no problem. We simply have a differing viewpoint of when and what is warranted. In certain areas their philosophy differs from yours. In certain areas your philosophies differ from mine. That doesn't make any of us wrong. It means we favor different approaches.

You're unable to name instances where criticism of the Payton-Loomis Management team was warranted? They've done it all perfectly all this time?

Interestingly enough with option B the franchise abandoned their normal plan of building for the future and went "all in" and had enough luck to get the final win.

Personally, I would take option A where I could know that I enjoyed winning on a regular basis and not suffering through three years of miserable games. At least through those four years under option A I knew we had a chance if everything worked out that we could win it all. Option B offered no hope at all until they decided to finally go "all in".

Sure, winning the championship is awesome. But my fandom doesn't ride on only winning it all. To get the enjoyment/entertainment of winning week by week on a regular basis is just as important to me, if not more. There's ALWAYS next year. I'm sure I'm not alone.



P.S. - You see, I have been a Saints fan living game by game for the past 54 years. I spent the first 42 of those years without a Super Bowl win. I lived hoping that we could just win two games in a row for most of those years. I don't know how many more years I'll have left on this Earth, but to have the enjoyment of expecting to win on most every Sunday outweighs the winning of a single game in February.