NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If you actually knew my views on racism you’d know I view it primarily on a systematic level and individual instances of prejudice or bigotry don’t really move my radar. Small fish.

And yet you hold the collective responsible for individual instances, many of which are older than you are. You are, after all, anti-white? You are for the destruction of our system of Government because why? White people? You are more than willing to cast the entire state of Mississippi aside because of your individual instances/experiences?

And yet so many black people grow up in Mississippi without feeling as you do, and, because of this, according to you, they must be "dealt with"?

It just doesn't reconcile. I guess I could say, "that dog won't hunt", but that's probably a 'white' expression and, growing up in Mississippi you weren't allowed to hear it?

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And yet you hold the collective responsible for individual instances, many of which are older than you are. You are, after all, anti-white? You are for the destruction of our system of Government because why? White people? You are more than willing to cast the entire state of Mississippi aside because of your individual instances/experiences?

And yet so many black people grow up in Mississippi without feeling as you do, and, because of this, according to you, they must be "dealt with"?

It just doesn't reconcile. I guess I could say, "that dog won't hunt", but that's probably a 'white' expression and, growing up in Mississippi you weren't allowed to hear it?

I prioritize Black people in the same fashion you claim to prioritize Americans. Whichever button produces the best result for The Diaspora is the button I’ll push. With White people being the hard working people they are, if it would be to their dismay socioeconomically I’m sure it’ll be no problem for them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and pave a new way of life in the name of Jesus Christ. Manifest Destiny 2.0.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I prioritize Black people in the same fashion you claim to prioritize Americans. Whichever button produces the best result for The Diaspora is the button I’ll push. With White people being the hard working people they are, if it would be to their dismay socioeconomically I’m sure it’ll be no problem for them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and paving a new way of life in the name of Jesus Christ. Manifest Destiny 2.0.

Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop.

You prioritize black people before all others.

And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin?

Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad.

I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop.

You prioritize black people before all others.

And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin?

Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad.

I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late.

You claim to, but you don’t. You can say what you want, but to me, you don’t.

And I genuinely could care less if you realize it or not.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You claim to, but you don’t. You can say what you want, but to me, you don’t.

And I genuinely could care less if you realize it or not.

And tell me how it is that you know that I don't? Because I'm white?

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And tell me how it is that you know that I don't? Because I'm white?

It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you are getting old now though.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you or getting old now though.

I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it.

See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture.

You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin.

I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do.

Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that.

shawnkytonk · 08-13-2018, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop.

You prioritize black people before all others.

And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin?

Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad.

I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late.

You have some serious issues on what is perceived as reality and what is your opinion.

08-13-2018, 06:24 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna If you actually knew my views on racism you’d know I view it primarily on a systematic level and individual instances of prejudice or bigotry don’t really move my radar. Small fish. And yet you hold the collective responsible for individual instances, many of which are older than you are. You are, after all, anti-white? You are for the destruction of our system of Government because why? White people? You are more than willing to cast the entire state of Mississippi aside because of your individual instances/experiences? And yet so many black people grow up in Mississippi without feeling as you do, and, because of this, according to you, they must be "dealt with"? It just doesn't reconcile. I guess I could say, "that dog won't hunt", but that's probably a 'white' expression and, growing up in Mississippi you weren't allowed to hear it?
	C'mon Man...

08-13-2018, 06:28 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan And yet you hold the collective responsible for individual instances, many of which are older than you are. You are, after all, anti-white? You are for the destruction of our system of Government because why? White people? You are more than willing to cast the entire state of Mississippi aside because of your individual instances/experiences? And yet so many black people grow up in Mississippi without feeling as you do, and, because of this, according to you, they must be "dealt with"? It just doesn't reconcile. I guess I could say, "that dog won't hunt", but that's probably a 'white' expression and, growing up in Mississippi you weren't allowed to hear it? I prioritize Black people in the same fashion you claim to prioritize Americans. Whichever button produces the best result for The Diaspora is the button I’ll push. With White people being the hard working people they are, if it would be to their dismay socioeconomically I’m sure it’ll be no problem for them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and pave a new way of life in the name of Jesus Christ. Manifest Destiny 2.0.

08-13-2018, 06:40 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna I prioritize Black people in the same fashion you claim to prioritize Americans. Whichever button produces the best result for The Diaspora is the button I’ll push. With White people being the hard working people they are, if it would be to their dismay socioeconomically I’m sure it’ll be no problem for them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and paving a new way of life in the name of Jesus Christ. Manifest Destiny 2.0. Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop. You prioritize black people before all others. And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin? Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad. I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late.
	C'mon Man...

08-13-2018, 06:42 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop. You prioritize black people before all others. And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin? Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad. I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late. You claim to, but you don’t. You can say what you want, but to me, you don’t. And I genuinely could care less if you realize it or not.

08-13-2018, 06:46 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna You claim to, but you don’t. You can say what you want, but to me, you don’t. And I genuinely could care less if you realize it or not. And tell me how it is that you know that I don't? Because I'm white?

08-13-2018, 06:49 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan And tell me how it is that you know that I don't? Because I'm white? It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you are getting old now though.

08-13-2018, 07:04 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you or getting old now though. I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it. See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture. You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin. I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do. Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that.
	C'mon Man...

08-13-2018, 07:14 PM	#8
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan Right. So I prioritize Americans. All colors. All races. Full stop. You prioritize black people before all others. And you call me the racist? You clearly have a preference for life that is determined by nothing more than the color of a man's skin? Well Sir, just wow. I mean, as I've said, I know where you're coming from. I know Delaney and Du Bois. I know Charmichael. I know Che. I know Newton, and Seale, and King, and Malcolm. I have some level of respect for some of these men, but I know them in a context I genuinely believe you do not, and further I don't think you're interested, and that's too bad. I wish there was a way to open your eyes to the racism inherent inside you. Looks like it's too late. You have some serious issues on what is perceived as reality and what is your opinion. rezburna likes this.