NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you or getting old now though.

I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it.

See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture.

You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin.

I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do.

Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it.

See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture.

You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin.

I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do.

Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that.

Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself.

I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya.

As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya.

As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

Right now I’m reading The Iceman Inheritance and Black Reconstruction, but I’ll send you a list.

lee909 · 08-13-2018, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides.

Im only reading bits of most of these posts. As i am sick to death of the way the worlds going to hell in a handbasket at the moment.

So i may be off here

What other side is there to the civil rights movement worth listening to other the Black people of that era?.

Surely there is only one side to the argument of this,one perspective that matters. It was wrong and a terrible era of history.

Im not calling you out on anything here,just trying to get a grasp on the issues from a long way away. Especially as the same issues seem to be getting a hold over here.

To many signs similar to the late 20s (financial crisis) into the 30s (facist/rise of the extreme left and right) going on to not take notice. (WW2 and its causes being very high on my lists of interests)

I don't believe for a second every white guy liked it or even overly benefitted from it. Though they did have a leg up over non whites.

I do believe that this issue is partly to do with how recent the civil rights is. It will always take time for things to be sorted out and many of the race issue are so deep seated over hundreds of years it will take far longer than 50 odd years to sort out.

08-13-2018, 07:04 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna It’s a combination of things. Ben Carson could be on the forums saying the same things. I’d say the same. All these questions trying to lead me to the answer you want me to give you or getting old now though. I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it. See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture. You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin. I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do. Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that.
	C'mon Man...

08-13-2018, 07:05 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,023	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan I'm not leading you anywhere you aren't already standing. Remember your very own "you don't know me" comment a few pages back. You're an honest guy. I'm sure I don't have to find it and quote it. See, you're awfully quick to point your finger at me or at the collective white population yet you disallow it in reverse. You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Believe it or not that matters. Unless, of course, you can't stomach the whole picture. You observe the color of a man's skin and you judge him. What's more is that you justify it because of nothing more than the color of your own skin. I've had this precise discussion with a few people out here in Oakland. I like them. They like me. Their responses are word for word your responses. They even overuse the word "diaspora" just as you do. Racism is racism is racism. Maybe your psych friend can help you with that. Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself. shawnkytonk likes this.

08-13-2018, 07:22 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself. I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya. As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

08-13-2018, 07:23 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,023	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya. As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more. Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

08-13-2018, 07:30 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already. Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

08-13-2018, 07:31 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,023	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading. Right now I’m reading The Iceman Inheritance and Black Reconstruction, but I’ll send you a list.

08-13-2018, 08:44 PM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Im only reading bits of most of these posts. As i am sick to death of the way the worlds going to hell in a handbasket at the moment. So i may be off here What other side is there to the civil rights movement worth listening to other the Black people of that era?. Surely there is only one side to the argument of this,one perspective that matters. It was wrong and a terrible era of history. Im not calling you out on anything here,just trying to get a grasp on the issues from a long way away. Especially as the same issues seem to be getting a hold over here. To many signs similar to the late 20s (financial crisis) into the 30s (facist/rise of the extreme left and right) going on to not take notice. (WW2 and its causes being very high on my lists of interests) I don't believe for a second every white guy liked it or even overly benefitted from it. Though they did have a leg up over non whites. I do believe that this issue is partly to do with how recent the civil rights is. It will always take time for things to be sorted out and many of the race issue are so deep seated over hundreds of years it will take far longer than 50 odd years to sort out. Crusader likes this.
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!