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Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight.

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Consistency is totally dependent upon health. There isn't a team in the league that can be consistent on the offensive line when they are missing 60% to 80% of their starters. A successful offensive line is a cohesive unit. It is impossible to develop that cohesiveness with the guy to either side shuffling in and out every other game.

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That is all good and fine, but it may take years of picks for one of those drafted QB's to actually pan out.

That doesn't mean I feel we should make a move for Carr, but an established NFL QB is a known quantity, at least, and worth a little more coin.

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And Peat is consistently injured. Our backups are consistently bad.

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All this negative is correct.

The Saints need better depth as well.

** Peat has yet to play an entire season in his 8 year NFL career.

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Penning
Upgrade Peat
McCoy
Ruiz
Ram

That's a line Derek Carr could have success behind

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Speaking of Penning ...

Did anyone see his play vs the Browns? This guy was moving grown men off the line a few times.

I think he becomes the truth at tackle.

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YES!! I can't wait to see us get a LG just as good.

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If Payton was here I'd be all for Derek Carr. I feel that way about most of these QB's. I believe in Payton's ability to get the best out of them. Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael? Nah.

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No kidding. Everyone's third string backups are consistently bad. That why we need the starters to remain healthy to gain that consistency. As long as players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup they have no shot at being "consistent".

Just look at Tampa Bay. They have suffered just as many injuries to their offensive line than the Saints. Their offense is struggling and would easily have three or four more losses without Brady under center.

Injuries are the great equalizer.

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I agree ... as long as they all remain on the field. That's an offensive line that Winston or even Dalton can have success behind.

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A very quick check shows 21 of the 32 NFL teams have losing records. Names like: Rogers, Brady and Wilson are all below .500

Blaming OLine injuries for the record doesn't really work.
Remember last years starting Oline only played 22 snaps together, yet that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record.

If players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup and have no shot at being "consistent". Explain how "Rotating D-Lineman in and out to keep them fresh" works?

Two Examples:

The 2022 Eagles are 13 -2 and have nine interior linemen or overhang players — edge rushers — who've played between 23 and 63 percent of the defensive snaps.

The 2022 Bills 12 - 3 Rotating the defensive linemen is a big part of what McDermott does on defense. In a league where it seems everything is strategized down to the smallest degree, the D-Line rotation is just about keeping guys fresh. "The key to our success is fresh legs, fresh bodies," defensive line coach Bill Teerlinck says.

Are Injuries are the great equalizer, or perhaps it's good coaching vs poor coaching?

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They are and they aren’t. For every team that only has 4 picks in a draft due to trades, there is a team that has 10 picks in the draft due to the opposite trades. Sometimes when the latter teams suffer injuries to their starting oline, the backups are early to middle round draft picks with much more upside than undrafted free agents and journeyman. We are able to trade so many of our picks because we dont value depth, and we dont value depth because we like having injuries as a reliable excuse. We found players like Armstead, Evans, and Nicks with second day picks. Now we trade away those picks and complain that Peat is injured for the 8th year in a row and nobody could have predicted it. You hold onto those mid round picks because you want to find a successor for Peat.

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I do not have a problem with Derek Carr.

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Are you serious? Comparing the D-line to the O-line in snap counts?

The defensive linemen are basically freelancers on the field. Other than a stunt here or there they work independently to get to the offensive backfield. Rotating in and out at those positions does indeed keep them fresh.

On the offensive line, however, they all depend greatly upon each other. They must know when to shift assignment and with whom. That's why offensive linemen ideally play 100% of the snaps in a game. Even more ideally they play 100% of the snaps for the entire season. We all know that seldom happens, however, due to the all too common injuries, but it does happen.

For your Philly example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 60 times in 16 games. In game injuries were the only thing that kept them from playing every snap in every game.

For your Bills example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 56 times in 16 games. Ditto above.

Source: https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-cou...ne-snap-counts

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... with no guarantee those mid round picks will actually net you a successor to Peat that isn't injured 8 years in a row.

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Just pointing out that blaming a teams record on injuries suffered by the O-Line isn't always valid. I knew comparing O-Line and D-Line would get a reaction! Happy New Year!


The 2020 KC Chiefs started 11 different offensive line combinations through 15 weeks. Kansas City averaged 1 sack per game through the first 11 games then 2.5 sacks per game the 4 weeks after. Finished 14 - 2 and lost to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl.

The Saints 2021 O-Line only played 22 snaps together, that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record.

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Exactly!!

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Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years.

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Taking on a QB with 3 years left on his deal with cap hits of 33 and 40plus million with the current roster and 50ml in the hole would be stupid. They'd end up adding voided years and just leaving the dead hole of cap issues running till nearly 2030. The roster is a long way from being a contender

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Nothing in life is guaranteed. That is why the bum on the street does not waste time applying for a job or getting sober in hopes of improving their life. Why waste the time when there are no guarantees? Using that bums logic, why try to find the next jahri evans or carl nicks by valuing mid round picks when we have Andus Peat and we don’t know for sure a replacment of won’t be injured 8 years in a row. Anyway I’d love to buy Mickey a 40 in a paper bag. I think he would be better at drinking it than running the Saints. He could have as much as he wants now, and the consequences would come later, but he could mitigate those consquences by having even more of the same. But I am not invested in his liver, just the Saints salary cap and future, so it would work out better for me.

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A first round pick doesn't guarantee a viable QB. Quite the contrary. The majority of first round QB picks end up being nothing more than serviceable. Most likely no better than a Winston or Dalton, actually.

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I'm all for getting Carr as long as they cut him.

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Time to resurrect this thread?

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I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd.

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I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet.

As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not?

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I would let the Raiders cut him, I wouldn't trade for him. I think he wouldn't break the bank on a new contract and allow us to bring in FA an draft to surround him. He's made plenty of money and wants to win.

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Is Carr an "upgrade" over Dalton? Yes, certainly.

He could be competitive in a very weak NFC South division. Forward-thinking.. the Saints still need to draft a young, athletic QB to sit and develop for a year. Just don't expect dramatic change with Pete Carmichael still holding a play sheet :rolleyes: .

But yeah, DCarr could be a realistic option for the Saints in 2023. We'll see.

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It's kind of a tricky situation with Carr. He has a contract clause that kicks in on February 15. It guarantees 2023 salary + $7.5M of 2024 salary. His 2023 salary is $32.9 million. He also has a full no trade clause.

In addition, according to the league calendar player trading is not allowed until the first day of the new league year which would be March 15.

The Raiders could theoretically cut him prior to that February 15th date in which case they get nothing in return. Or they could do a "wink/wink" deal now to take affect after the trade freeze is lifted and then book it as a post June 1st trade prorating the $40 million cap hit into 2024, as well.

In other words, if he is still on the Raiders' roster after February 15th we'll not know anything on him until a month later.

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What has JW done that makes you think this way? Dude is straight trash

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Buzz is building on Saints potentially teaming up with Raiders QB Derek Carr

John Sigler
February 3, 2023 11:29 am CT

Derek Carr, New Orleans Saints quarterback? It’s more likely than you think. The Saints were instantly linked to Carr when the Las Vegas Raiders made their intentions of moving on from him clear a month ago, and speculation has only gotten louder about the Saints being players in Carr’s sweepstakes (when and if they develop). Carr has a no-trade clause written into his contract that he can waive at his discretion, as well as a Feb. 15 trigger date that guarantees $40.4 million.

And the Raiders are trying to control this process by refusing to allow Carr’s agent to negotiate a trade, making an attempt at recouping some trade value. They can cut Carr before that date to get out of their contract with him but they would rather trade him somewhere and get something back in compensation. ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler sees the Saints as a team that could be in the mix once those trade talks heat up. When sharing what he’s heard on Carr from around league circles at the Senior Bowl practices this week, Fowler had this to say:

“Watch for the New Orleans Saints here. A Carr-Saints connection was buzzing a bit in Mobile, and they could be a suitor. New Orleans has a first- and second-round pick from the Sean Payton deal, and head coach Dennis Allen coached Carr during his rookie year in Oakland.”

The Saints have felt like a natural suitor all along; Allen believed in him enough to draft Carr way back when, so it makes sense that he’d have interest in working with the quarterback again. It’s worth wondering whether Carr is really an upgrade over Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston — all three of them, combined, have never won a playoff game — but he’s never enjoyed as strong a supporting cast as he would have in New Orleans. The strong Saints defense could buy him more breathing-room than he ever enjoyed with the Raiders.

And what are the ripple effects from a potential teamup? Would Michael Thomas rework his contract again to play with an established quarterback like Carr? What kind of draft capital would the Saints have to give up for Carr? Would he agree to not waive his no-trade clause, forcing the Raiders to release him, so New Orleans could simply sign him as a free agent? This would introduce a lot of new variables to the Saints’ offseason strategy but that’s true of any move they make at quarterback. There’s a lot of smoke with Carr. Let’s see if there’s actually a fire sparking it.

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Well, we'll see if we get permission to talk to Carr. It may take a trade to get him. If there is enough interest he may not last to the point to be cut.

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Right. Carr's contract is upwards of 40M. 40million dollars :bugeyes:

There is no team in the league that is dumb enough to bite on a trade.

As someone else posted, it's time to get busy in the draft and find your next QB. The Saints are years away from seriously competing.

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My man Shanle has this one right!

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Agreed!!!

That said he would be an upgrade over anyone we have right now. Dalton should be a backup. And JW will probably be let go.

If they wanna roll the dice this next season and see if JW, Dalton or Hill can command the offense then fine. But don’t overpay for a guy that is probably gonna get cut in the first place.

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Let’s try to find the next QB of the future. Even if he sits a year. Brees was absolutely perfect. But we ain’t gonna get that with anyone we have now.

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Raiders, Packers should duplicate the Deshaun Watson trade formula

Errrr.... NEAUX, EFF NEAUX !

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If by chance we do get Carr I'm pretty sure he'll want a 4 year deal. I would look to draft on in the later rounds to develop. I'm just looking at the holes to fill this season and next. We need to get much younger and bring the cap situation in hand. Carr also might help bring in a new HC instead of one with no proven qb.