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SmashMouth 02-20-2023 12:58 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970039)
I think we're contenders to be honest. Let's have a look at some of the QB's that were in the playoffs:

Miami Dolphins: Tua Tagovailoa got them there. They lost by 3 points to the Bills with Skylar Thompson at QB in the Wild Card round.

Seattle Seahawks: Geno Smith

New York Giants: Daniel Jones

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins

Baltimore Ravens: Tyler Huntley. One stupid fumble away from winning in the playoffs.

San Francisco 49ers: Brock Purdy

None of these guys are world beaters. 49ers almost went all the way with a 3rd stringer. It's all about health and can you go on a run.

We need to build the interior of this offensive line, grab Carr, and beef up at running back. Moves on the defensive side of the ball would be a nice cherry on top but I don't even think we have to if we can upgrade offensively.
I guess we fixing to truly see this time around, sans the SP coat tails. :popcorn:

K Major 02-20-2023 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 970032)
YAWN...
Interesting how DCarr hasn’t really won (0-1 post season) much in 9 seasons yet there is a “market” for him.

Wild.

SmashMouth 02-20-2023 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970043)
Interesting how DCarr hasn’t really won (0-1 post season) much in 9 seasons yet there is a “market” for him.

Wild.
Even more interesting some think he's wroth over $30 million a year...

What Would BB do... is likely a great question to ask in this instance.

I think we've already seen the answer, neaux?

:popcorn:

rezburna 02-20-2023 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970043)
Interesting how DCarr hasn’t really won (0-1 post season) much in 9 seasons yet there is a “market” for him.

Wild.
Raiders roster been pretty trash the entire time just to be fair. Offensive line was consistently bad.

K Major 02-20-2023 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970048)
Raiders roster been pretty trash the entire time just to be fair. Offensive line was consistently bad.
Not sure about the O line but what about Waller, DeVante' Adams, Renfroe & Josh Jacobs at the skilled spots?

IDK, I'm just not expecting the needle to move much with DCarr in New Orleans (assuming he signs). Hopefully, the Saints/Mickey draw the line on compensation.

AsylumGuido 02-20-2023 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970048)
Raiders roster been pretty trash the entire time just to be fair. Offensive line was consistently bad.
Exactly. In the past fifteen years the Raiders defense has never been ranked better than 20th in the league in points allowed. Hard to win games when your defense can't hold anyone under 28 points per game.

Rugby Saint II 02-20-2023 03:01 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
Ask Drew how hard it is to win a championship without a good defense.

AsylumGuido 02-20-2023 03:04 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970054)
Ask Drew how hard it is to win a championship without a good defense.
Hell, just ask him how hard it is to even win more than seven games.

Sinner 02-20-2023 03:36 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970043)
Interesting how DCarr hasn’t really won (0-1 post season) much in 9 seasons yet there is a “market” for him.

Wild.
It's actually NOT interesting. And HE'S not interesting. We just don't have much else to talk about, sadly... probably for the next couple of seasons, sadly.

Rugby Saint II 02-20-2023 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 970056)
It's actually NOT interesting. And HE'S not interesting. We just don't have much else to talk about, sadly... probably for the next couple of seasons, sadly.
We can still talk about Hendon Hooker. His draft stock is rising pretty quickly after interviewing at the Senior Bowl.

rezburna 02-20-2023 04:33 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970049)
Not sure about the O line but what about Waller, DeVante' Adams, Renfroe & Josh Jacobs at the skilled spots?

IDK, I'm just not expecting the needle to move much with DCarr in New Orleans (assuming he signs). Hopefully, the Saints/Mickey draw the line on compensation.
Waller missed 8 games last year. Renfrow missed 7. Adams had 1,500 yards and 14 TDs. Jacobs had a career year. Raiders defense was ranked like 28th. I’m not convinced Carr is a star but I’m intrigued.

SmashMouth 02-20-2023 05:05 PM
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K Major 02-20-2023 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970068)
Championship?

iceshack149 02-20-2023 08:46 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 970039)
I think we're contenders to be honest. Let's have a look at some of the QB's that were in the playoffs:

Miami Dolphins: Tua Tagovailoa got them there. They lost by 3 points to the Bills with Skylar Thompson at QB in the Wild Card round.

Seattle Seahawks: Geno Smith

New York Giants: Daniel Jones

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins

Baltimore Ravens: Tyler Huntley. One stupid fumble away from winning in the playoffs.

San Francisco 49ers: Brock Purdy

None of these guys are world beaters. 49ers almost went all the way with a 3rd stringer. It's all about health and can you go on a run.

We need to build the interior of this offensive line, grab Carr, and beef up at running back. Moves on the defensive side of the ball would be a nice cherry on top but I don't even think we have to if we can upgrade offensively.
This is a compelling argument. The Saints defense is solid and will hopefully add some players to the line and at DB. The offensive line is above average and they have the skill players to move the ball around the field.

AsylumGuido 02-21-2023 11:58 AM
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Haven't much of anything from the Jets visit.

AsylumGuido 02-21-2023 12:05 PM
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K Major 02-21-2023 03:17 PM
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Daniel Jones reportedly wants $45M per season

WTH? What has DJones accomplished to command that type of salary?

No telling what DCarr's camp is asking but the Saints shouldn't break the bank either. Get your books in order & continue to draft well.

SaintFanInATLHELL 02-21-2023 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970106)
Daniel Jones reportedly wants $45M per season

WTH? What has DJones accomplished to command that type of salary?

No telling what DCarr's camp is asking but the Saints shouldn't break the bank either. Get your books in order & continue to draft well.
Next in line. If the Giants won't pay it, someone else will. Note that $45 million is the cost of the exclusive QB franchise tag.

The only way to have it both ways is to draft a QB high in the first round. Only there is the talent elite and the price tag for the first 5 years are reasonable.

That's why I find discussions about Carr, or Rodgers, or Jackson, or any other elite QB that could be available for trade or signing in free agency laughable. Their ballparks are $50 million a year, and likely almost all of it guaranteed. Unless you are an organization that's prepared to win like next year, it's just a waste of time.


SFIAH

AsylumGuido 02-21-2023 03:56 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 970108)
Next in line. If the Giants won't pay it, someone else will. Note that $45 million is the cost of the exclusive QB franchise tag.

The only way to have it both ways is to draft a QB high in the first round. Only there is the talent elite and the price tag for the first 5 years are reasonable.

That's why I find discussions about Carr, or Rodgers, or Jackson, or any other elite QB that could be available for trade or signing in free agency laughable. Their ballparks are $50 million a year, and likely almost all of it guaranteed. Unless you are an organization that's prepared to win like next year, it's just a waste of time.


SFIAH
Um, I'm ready to win next year. Besides, Carr isn't in that ballpark.

SaintFanInATLHELL 02-21-2023 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970111)
Um, I'm ready to win next year. Besides, Carr isn't in that ballpark.
Of course you are ready to win next year. But that's because your are the ultimate optimist. The realist in me doesn't see a complete Saints team that's only missing a QB that's prepared to take on the final 4 from last year's conference championships yet. As such blowing out the salary cap to bring in a QB until we've addressed the holes in both lines, along with solid backups along virtually every position in the offense and the defense.

The Saints need an offensive identity independent of the QB. Bringing in a high priced mercenary isn't going to solve that problem.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 02-21-2023 04:46 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 970113)
Of course you are ready to win next year. But that's because your are the ultimate optimist. The realist in me doesn't see a complete Saints team that's only missing a QB that's prepared to take on the final 4 from last year's conference championships yet. As such blowing out the salary cap to bring in a QB until we've addressed the holes in both lines, along with solid backups along virtually every position in the offense and the defense.

The Saints need an offensive identity independent of the QB. Bringing in a high priced mercenary isn't going to solve that problem.

SFIAH
Right now I just want to return to the playoffs, SFIAH. I went through over forty years without winning a Super Bowl. I can handle another wait if need be. What I can't wait for is being back in the playoffs. I can't take sitting in the stands losing games because of a QB that either can't see or can't hit wide open receivers.

We can still address the lines AND get the most important hole on the team filled in the QB. I want us to be competitive and win games at home. Right now I'm not concerned about beating those final four teams. I want us to be able to simply play those final four teams in the post season.

Who knows, maybe pigs will fly again. But at least that dream is there and alive.

:bng:

rezburna 02-21-2023 05:02 PM
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I don’t know if we’re gonna get him man. I have manor doubts now.

neugey 02-21-2023 07:00 PM
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This is going to take a while. With him being effectively the only QB on the free market now, I'm sure his agent is asking for the sun, the moon and the stars.

voodooido 02-21-2023 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 970117)
This is going to take a while. With him being effectively the only QB on the free market now, I'm sure his agent is asking for the sun, the moon and the stars.
Never thought of it that way. Many teams need a qb and only one is available as of now. Supply and demand

Sinner 02-21-2023 08:40 PM
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...YAWN...

AsylumGuido 02-22-2023 08:21 AM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 970117)
This is going to take a while. With him being effectively the only QB on the free market now, I'm sure his agent is asking for the sun, the moon and the stars.
His brother said Derek is going to take his time and meet with all interested teams. He said he's wanting to go primarily where it's the best fit. It sounds like the biggest deal isn't going to be the deciding factor. It sounds like the culture of the team is important to him.

subguy 02-23-2023 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970130)
His brother said Derek is going to take his time and meet with all interested teams. He said he's wanting to go primarily where it's the best fit. It sounds like the biggest deal isn't going to be the deciding factor. It sounds like the culture of the team is important to him.
In which case, knowing Carr and Allen have history, that doesn't speak volumes for Dennis Allen and having faith in his NOLA culture if the move doesn't happen.

K Major 02-23-2023 09:35 AM
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All I know is that I've seen enough of Andy Dalton.

SmashMouth 02-23-2023 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970210)
All I know is that I've seen enough of Andy Dalton.
Precisely why the fallback ought to be Taysom if all else fails. And draft a young buck with loads of potential.

Rugby Saint II 02-23-2023 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970211)
Precisely why the fallback ought to be Taysom if all else fails. And draft a young buck with loads of potential.
I don't know if Taysom Hill will last a full season. He has a very extensive injury history dating back to college and his aggressive Style leads to more injuries. Plus, he's just not a good quarterback. We need to get away from gimmicks and gadgets if we want to win championships.

K Major 02-23-2023 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970215)
I don't know if Taysom Hill will last a full season. He has a very extensive injury history dating back to college and his aggressive Style leads to more injuries. Plus, he's just not a good quarterback.
Well, Dennis Allen & Pete Carmichael need to figure it out this off season :rolleyes:.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2023 11:56 AM
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Rugby Saint II 02-24-2023 12:09 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970225)
Well, Dennis Allen & Pete Carmichael need to figure it out this off season :rolleyes:.
Yeah, good luck with that.:doh:

rezburna 02-24-2023 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970277)
That’s reasonable. If we can’t him though, spend $30 million on the line and at running back.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2023 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970280)
Yeah, good luck with that.:doh:
I seriously doubt they are as clueless as you think they are, Rugs.

subguy 02-24-2023 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970210)
All I know is that I've seen enough of Andy Dalton.
I understand K. I also want a better option, however one doesn't exist on our roster currently. Once we have one I would be happy to have Dalton fulfill his backup role again.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2023 04:12 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-28-2023 07:42 AM
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Second interview.

K Major 02-28-2023 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 970291)
I understand K. I also want a better option, however one doesn't exist on our roster currently. Once we have one I would be happy to have Dalton fulfill his backup role again.
I don't see Dalton returning (Free Agent) to NOLA.

Even in a backup role.

AsylumGuido 02-28-2023 10:34 AM
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