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Really good listen! Not behind the paywall.

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I wait til he's cut. I really don't want to lose any more picks. I would like to see him here but I wouldn't break the bank to get him here.

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He'll probably get cut and run around $40 million per year. They can structure a contract to put that first year near league minimum plus a bit and go out and fill a couple of other holes and then fill in with the draft and be able to compete right away. As Underhill and Triplett discussed, the Saints would automatically be the favorites to win the division if we could land Carr and be in position to win some games in the playoffs.

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Gone to take more than just Carr to put us in contention. We need a really good run game, a bad a$$ TE wouldn't hurt, Peats replacement up front and some deeper depth on the O-line. Another WR after MT gets cut, and that's just the O side. I trade Kamara and draft a stud that can run in the middle and get another back also. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 2 back set or a 3 headed monster.

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Rumor is building for a trade. Best I can tell is a 4th rounder. Although Raider fans are wishing for a #1, which is delusional.

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I originally wanted Derek Carr for the Saints. However, I just don't think we can afford him. I know we can afford him, but I'm talking about the future cap hits that we roll back which prevent us from building the team even further. I would rather invest that money in the team in a position other than quarterback. But that won't happen because the front office is all about win now and pay whatever the cost later.

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Underhill and Triplett are saying the price tag is the price tag. And even though it is unpalatable to all of us, the market is shifting yet again upward, making his current salary soon average; that in itself is crazy.

I say, if we trade them a 5th or 4th rounder, we could do worse. We instantly are the favorites in the NFC South. And yes, we should still draft Hendon Hooker and/or another QB late. if we don't trade for him, his price tag as a FA is higher salary wise. So we ride him for the next two years and we groom Hooker to take over on a rookie contract.

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The most important position on a team is the QB. If you can get a good one whatever you pay is worth it. Paying now or later doesn't matter as long as you win, does it? The cap is going to keep skyrocketing and all of our dead money is rolling off the books.

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Yes, the cap is going to skyrocket but I would rather not spend that money on a veteran who will give us two or three years maybe, but is already past his prime. I would rather draft a young quarterback and put these resources into building a better team for him to succeed. I understand that any quarterback that is available will need time to develop behind a stop Gap veteran.

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I wouldn't quite call Derek Carr past his prime. He's only 31 years old. Barely out of his twenties. Brees played at a high level for eight years past that age and then a few more after that.

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Figured it was coming.

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I'm hoping it's a wink, wink deal with Carr. Loomy says o.k. D.C. we want you to be the face of the Saints but don't want to give up picks so we can use to beef up the O. D.C. says I can live with that. Loomy says we'll wait for you to get cut then bring you in to sign a new contract. D.C says I'm fine with that Mr. Loomy. Loomy then tells D.C. load up and I'll take you to some of the finest seafood places money can buy. D.C. says I love it here already. That's the way it goes down, a simple wink, wink deal and we have our qb,

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I’m okay with Carr. I’d be ecstatic to have Carr if Payton was here.

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Wouldn’t mind getting Carr. Definitely an upgrade. Just don’t wanna overpay for him.

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Sounds Like Derek is at least the Saints #1 option at the moment. Hope they don't overpay, but at the same time I wouldn't give him a 4 year deal either. 1or 2 year with a team option to leave them an out for Caleb Williams maybe.....???

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Help me understand this.
Some of us want Carr because he's a significant "upgrade" at QB? Have you taken note of his career stats vs. Dalton's? There is a few areas where he has better numbers, but they aren't anything that should Wow us. Given the fact that he has a pretty hefty pricetag, he's coming up on 32 years old (about 3 years younger than Dalton), and that he really hasn't proven much upside in his career, I would take a hard pass on this one.

At the least, the team will be saddled with yet another $35+ million in salary plus draft picks, effectively stalling any chance of retaining or bringing in new talent for the foreseeable future. Combine that with the fact that we STILL have not shown any committment to moving on with a new OC, why do it?

Can't see this move getting us deep into the playoffs, not even with a VERY bad Dirty South.

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Forget about stats when comparing these two. Dalton had more to work with early in his career. Look at what each are capable of doing. Carr's passing has been compared to that of Matt Stafford's. He has the ability to make every throw in the route tree. Dalton is limited and simply cannot get the ball downfield. His intermediate range is even questionable. Carr also has better mobility. He's also a fiery leader on the field and in the clubhouse. That's something we have been missing since Brees left.

Carr's existing contract runs through 2025. Without adding any years we can easily convert his $32.9 million 2023 base salary into signing bonus and reduce his 2023 cap hit by around $20 million. If things work out we can then work out an extension to keep his cap hit at a reasonable level for the near future giving us the flexibility to keep adding pieces in the free agent market.

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The concerns are valid. Stats don’t always tell the tale though. I know for sure his completion percentage goes up here because of the style of our offense. I can’t even tell you who his #1 WR was with the Raiders over the course of his career and that offensive line has been pretty bad year in and year out.

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Exatly. Dalton had a solid team around him through the earlier portions of his career. That's going to inflated his number. All you have to do is watch them each on the field today to tell that Dalton has no where near the arm talent as does Carr.

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I think acquiring Carr is worth a shot. He may flourish in our system. Someone made the post that we’re a few years away from seriously competing, and while that may be true, why not give him a shot anyways? In a few years when we’re ready to seriously compete, he’ll should be very comfortable in our system and ready to roll. We should still continue to draft a qb until then though. Never know what you may find…
All that being said, I still hope we don’t trade anything for him. Let him hit FA then sign him

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Bobby Hebert: If Saints trade for Derek Carr, 'we still ain't winning nothing'

I've always come away with Bobby as being a Andy Dalton fan :rolleyes:

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Good points. That said, if the price is right, I wouldn't mind taking a flier. I certainly wouldn't want to spend a lot of draft capital and pay him a bloated salary. Hopefully we don't try to bid against ourselves here. I don't have a lot of faith in the front office right now.

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Same as Papz ^^^.

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So far, it's already looking like LV and NO have agreed (or close) to compensation for Carr via trade.

Anything higher than a 3rd rounder is foolish. Maybe the Raiders eat some of his salary ? After how the Ceedy trade went down, I simply have no idea how this will turn out.

I'd prefer a young QB on a rookie contract.

I'm just a couch GM though :brood:

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He's a better bridge QB than what we have in the QB room right now. At least that's the way I look at it. 4th or 5th rounder at most, IMHO. And the Faiders eat some salary, maybe 50%. Then it's a win/win for all. If Carr blossoms, he gets a new contract in year 2-3. He he doesn't we hopefully have a young QB or two on a rookie contract.

We could bring Bridgewater back to do the same thing for less $.

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I saw on Twitter that a lot of people are against sending a 3rd rounder. I actually think that's a steal for Carr. I'd do that and either draft Hooker in the 2nd or another developmental guy in the later rounds. Then I'd completely cut ties with Dalton and Jameis.

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He'd be more than a bridge. He's WAY more talented than a Bridgewater and and is under contract through the end of 2025. At only 31 years old he easily has another eight years or so in his prime. If we are not willing to commit to him I'd just as soon pass on him altogether. This could be another Drew Brees type move and set us up at QB until 2030 or so.

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I agree that a 3rd would be a steal for what could be a franchise QB for the next seven or eight years. Although, I'd pass on any earlier round QB and just pick up one later hoping we can get a backup type that may eventually develop into something more ... possibly future trade bait much like the Patriots did for years under Brady.

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A Twitter post from Derek's brother, Darren Carr.

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That's why you don't extend him until he proves it on the field .

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The three years remaining on his current contract should give us plenty of time to see him prove it. Of course, things change if he gets cut.

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Basically, it boils down to if we want Derek Carr we are either going to give up draft capital and/or spend in free agency. I'm not willing to spend money or invest high draft capital in him. Take that draft pick and find a quarterback or two on a rookie contract so we can get under the cap.