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Is there a place to register for the couch coach/ GM course? Is it online?

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Music to my ears... Tank the next season and then start the next season after that with high draft picks, expensive contracts off the books and a new staff running things

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How do you propose we tank when all of the coaches and players will be working their asses off to win as many games as is possible? That concept has always befuddled me.

Personally, I'd rather see us kick ass next season and make a deep run in the playoffs. To each his own, I guess. :cool:

:bng:

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I thought it was clear, but to explain it to you... I don't expect the players or coaches to deliberately lose, but if the talent isn't there on either side of the equation, then it follows that they'll lose more games then they'll win.

The premise was that Hill as the QB and Carmichael as the OC wouldn't work, which I stated would be preferable to a 6 to 9 win season with Carr and no chance to advance in the playoffs.

I'd personally rather see the Saints win the SB within the next decade, but to each their own I guess.

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Why is Carr getting cut taking so long, literally up to the last minute? Are the Raiders that ticked off at him?

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It just happened.

Per Adam Schefter.

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It would have been hilarious if there was a technical issue and the Raiders didn't get their cut in on time. :p

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I honestly can't understand why anyone expects LESS wins than we had last season. We had a backup QB virtually all season long playing behind an offensive line that was decimated by injuries. We had our three starting WR's miss a combined 24 games. The defense was among the very best in the league, however, and there's little reason to expect any regression on that side of the ball.

It makes sense that we would fill some perceived holes via free agency and address others in the draft. There's already a solid bit of talent on both sides of the ball. The other three teams in the division are no more poised to do any damage than us this season. All three have major questions at QB and have had extensive turnover in the coaching ranks.

Yes, I too would like to see the Saints win a Super Bowl in the next decade. Going into the gutter first is not an avenue that I would expect to guarantee anything.

I guess we'll just have to see how things play out and hope for the best, don't you agree?

:bng:

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Let the games begin.

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They were probably doing everything they could do to convince him to waive that no trade clause hoping he'd have a change of heart. The Raiders continue to be a train wreck. The Raiders have managed only two winning seasons in the last 20 years. That is pathetic. It doesn't matter who is coaching the team. They suck as a franchise.

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Cam is campaigning big time for Carr.

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Others can throw the money but not the talent around him. We have a very good chance of snagging him

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Why are the Raiders letting him go? I'm still trying to figure out how could an injured Winston give you a better chance of winning, third game, than a healthy Dalton. However a healthy Winston gives you a lesser chance of winning so you keep with Dalton.

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Because a healthy Winston sucks more and can read the defense even worse than a washed up healthy Dalton. Lol.

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Because Jarrett Stidham has a higher QB rating for them last year than he did. Yeah I know he was on the Raiders so that's his excuse just like it was Dennis Allen's. Fun fact, the 2022 Raiders had Davante Adams. Fun fact #2, Jarrett Stidham is also played for the Raiders in 2022. Fun fact #3, Davante Adams had similar stats with the Raiders in 2022 to his stats with the Packers in 2020 and 2021, he is a great player and didn't need an excuse. Derek Carr got the weapon he had always been missing to take the next step, and his next step was backwards. Some other QBs with higher rating than Derek Carr in 2022 include: Desmond Ridder, Marcus Mariota, Sam Darnold, Bailey Zappe, Taylor Heinicke, Matt Stafford Senior Edition, Jacoby Brissett, and of course Andy Dalton. But yeah, lets give the guy $30 million a year, and guarantee him like $50 million, because its not a fair comparison, because teams like the Falcons, Redskins, Panthers, Saints, and Browns are stacked offenses with genius coordinators where anyone would succeed, whereas Josh McDaniels and Davante Adams have never really been associated with offenses that are very productive for the QB.

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YAWN...

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It's been a long time since I've posted, but I've been lurking this whole time.

Would you guys approve of, and do you think Baltimore would take, 2024, 2026, 2028 1s, and 1st round pick swaps and 2s in 2025 and 2027 for Lamar?

I know any big move like this is unlikely.

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Only picks for the next three draft cycles can be traded. So at this time only picks for the 2023, 2024, and 2025 drafts are eligible for trade. Once the 2023 draft is underway, however, 2026 picks become eligible for trade.

And, no, I wouldn't consider anything like that for Jackson. While he is dynamic, his style of play scares me. I can see him missing tons of time moving forward due to injury.

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Those NBA type trades wouldn't work in the NFL. It's franchise crippling having to give up that type of compensation and hand out the contract he's looking for. You need to be able to field a larger competitive team. That studs and duds strategy wouldn't work. 2-3 stars on an NBA roster can get you deep in the playoffs. It wouldn't work for the long term viability of an NFL franchise IMO not being able to supplement those players with cheaper high end talent(those draft picks). That Russell Wilson trade was really something else and quite rare to see happen.

Can it work for a season or two? Sure. You would have to be on top of your game at every aspect of your coaching, player development, and scouting. That's not us right now.

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Exactly right. That's why giving up picks for players ( the 2'fers) always pi$$ed me off. We haven't drafted a so called game changer on the D line at all. Even moving up to get Ingram was a bad move but Payton has always had an ego trip on draft day. Allen has done the same thing his 1st year. Now we're scratching for a quality qb., holes in the O and D with no quality depth. I would trade a few players to help shore up some positions and acquire draft picks for this draft and next. Kamara for two 2nd rounders, Davis for a 2nd,rounder Jordan i(getting long in the tooth) 2nd rounder, Peat for a 7th, I let Thomas walk. There are teams that I feel would give us these picks for these players and allow us to acquire draft capital to help strenghten up the team.

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All of this ^^^.

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This all sounds good on paper but that’s assuming that all the draft picks work out. What happens if they don’t? Then you’ve let go of some known talent to replace with some average players. Our drafting has been good lately, but we still don’t hit on all of them. That’s my main concern. That’s why I want to eventually get out of our cap situation to be able to sign some quality FAs. They don’t always work out either, but I like my odds better with that than relying solely on the draft.

Edit- this is to Halloween’s post.

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It's not my money but IMO if Carr's asking for more than 20/yr or more than 3 years length then no thanks.

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I doubt very much 20M$/yr would do it. It's going to be closer to 35M$/yr on a 3 year contract with something like 70M$ guaranteed.

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Had pass if that's anywhere close.

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In three years that $35M will be a bargain. The 2027 cap should be close to $300 million and the CBA requires that it all be spent sooner or later. Average QB salaries could be well over $40M and upper end ones should be in the $60M range or more.

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They would do it in a heartbeat. Although the saints would probably file rape charges. I’m all for the best out there but the dude stays hurt and giving them 92 first rd picks is crazy

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Is it just me or does Bobby Hebert come across as a D Carr HATER?

We could sign him @ 10M a season and he'd still complain about that move.

In his mind, Saint's best option is to continue 2023 with Andy Dalton as your starter at QB.

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God, no. Bobby needs to stop drinking before the show. Bring back Dalton? Just as good as Carr? Even my wife has said if Dalton is starting for the Saints next season I have to find someone else to use her tickets because she isn't going to spend another season watching him at QB.

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I just wonder what the Bobby Hebert of old would think or do if it were he in a similar situation. Wasn't he the Derek Carr of old ? Didn't he bolt to Atlanta as a pro? My recollection of Bobby Hebert was that of a choke master as a QB, always with an INT at the worst possible time.