Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 08:00 PM

And I have never said he doesn’t have issues. Nor to say he should be given the job outright. Only to cast shade on those who say we “know” what he is and that he shouldn’t be given a fair shake himself. He has demonstrated the potential to make plays; he should not be discarded outright. I guess that’s too much for some of you to accept and allow.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

This video would like a word with you..., and this coming from a forumite who is, and has been, on the record as saying that Winston is the better QB, and Taysom is Inspector Gadget. Some ppl view Winston’s negatives, and being int prone is a negative he has on his resume, as a greater detriment to the team than his positives could ever. It’s a fair criticism, not one I share, but I completely understand their logic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhfpQcL1ETc

Being interception prone has been a result of the offenses employed. In Winston's career he has never had more picks than TD's. Something that Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't claim. As for Winston's peak year for picks at 30, it was the first year under Bruce Arians that encouraged taking chances down field and it more than doubled Winston's career average in interceptions. Just a little ammo you can use to your advantage, gosaints1 in your arguments.

jnormand · 06-08-2021, 08:40 PM

Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston.

We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston.

We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time.

I'm team neither. I want want what is best for the team overall in 2021. Taysom Hill is a remarkable athlete and is most valuable being involved in many aspects of the game. Winston is an experienced NFL QB that has put up tremendous numbers under less than optimum conditions. I want the best for the Saints this season. After this season maybe Ian Book takes over and that is fine with me. I want to win now.

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston.

We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time.

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

rezburna · 06-08-2021, 09:32 PM

I wish they would try and pretend Taysom Hill beat out Jameis Winston in training camp. Lol. That boy bout to throw for 4,500+.

The Dude · 06-08-2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Most people I see in the Facebook groups are pretty anti-Hill. Just like anything else it depends on the company you keep. Like minded people gravitate towards each other for better or worse. Mostly worse. That’s why I like this board so much, a lot of independent thinkers around here whose opinions are rooted in knowledge.
I for one don’t care who wins the job as long as it puts us in the best position to win. I just think it’s going to be a lot harder for Hill because he’s such a big part of what we do on offense when he’s not under center. Unless Winston just stinks the place up I think he’s gonna be the guy.
When it’s all said and done the locker room will get behind the guy who puts them in the best position to win/make plays.

jnormand · 06-08-2021, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

TheOak · 06-09-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents."

You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced.

This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game.

Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.

06-08-2021, 08:00 PM	#81
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB And I have never said he doesn’t have issues. Nor to say he should be given the job outright. Only to cast shade on those who say we “know” what he is and that he shouldn’t be given a fair shake himself. He has demonstrated the potential to make plays; he should not be discarded outright. I guess that’s too much for some of you to accept and allow. gosaints1 likes this.

06-08-2021, 08:02 PM	#82
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 This video would like a word with you..., and this coming from a forumite who is, and has been, on the record as saying that Winston is the better QB, and Taysom is Inspector Gadget. Some ppl view Winston’s negatives, and being int prone is a negative he has on his resume, as a greater detriment to the team than his positives could ever. It’s a fair criticism, not one I share, but I completely understand their logic. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhfpQcL1ETc Being interception prone has been a result of the offenses employed. In Winston's career he has never had more picks than TD's. Something that Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't claim. As for Winston's peak year for picks at 30, it was the first year under Bruce Arians that encouraged taking chances down field and it more than doubled Winston's career average in interceptions. Just a little ammo you can use to your advantage, gosaints1 in your arguments.

06-08-2021, 08:40 PM	#83
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston. We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time.

06-08-2021, 08:47 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston. We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time. I'm team neither. I want want what is best for the team overall in 2021. Taysom Hill is a remarkable athlete and is most valuable being involved in many aspects of the game. Winston is an experienced NFL QB that has put up tremendous numbers under less than optimum conditions. I want the best for the Saints this season. After this season maybe Ian Book takes over and that is fine with me. I want to win now. Boston Saint likes this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston. We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time. Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB I wish they would try and pretend Taysom Hill beat out Jameis Winston in training camp. Lol. That boy bout to throw for 4,500+.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Most people I see in the Facebook groups are pretty anti-Hill. Just like anything else it depends on the company you keep. Like minded people gravitate towards each other for better or worse. Mostly worse. That’s why I like this board so much, a lot of independent thinkers around here whose opinions are rooted in knowledge. I for one don’t care who wins the job as long as it puts us in the best position to win. I just think it’s going to be a lot harder for Hill because he’s such a big part of what we do on offense when he’s not under center. Unless Winston just stinks the place up I think he’s gonna be the guy. When it’s all said and done the locker room will get behind the guy who puts them in the best position to win/make plays. jnormand, AsylumGuido, gosaints1 and 2 others like this.
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06-08-2021, 10:49 PM	#88
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

06-09-2021, 09:23 AM	#89
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench. Can either of you argue that point? And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point. My point of contention resides with this sole statement "He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents." You took the time to identify how much better the opponents Winston faced were in contrast to the opponents that Hill faced. This is a team sport Guido, neither of those QBs faced an opponent alone and if you know college football as well as I assume you do, then you know what Hills supporting cast looked like compared to Winston's. A very quick look at how many players were drafted from BYU in to the NFL during Hills time vs how many players were drafted from Florida State tells a story. Winston had multiple offensive players drafted while he was at Florida and in his draft class from Florida... Hill himself wasn't even drafted just as a handful of NFL great QBs weren't drafted. jnormand likes this.
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06-09-2021, 09:33 AM	#90
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine. I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game. Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.