Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I was demonstrating the usefulness of a small sample size. So far Hill has shown that he can be a good game manager type against some lower opponents when he has a sold O line protecting him and players like Thomas and Kamara to support him. Nothing more so far. He’s not shown he can lead a team with his arm. Winston HAS shown he can do that in games. You also didn’t address my point about him getting better joining up wit Payton at 27 like Brees did. Why are you all fired-up certain that Winston can’t improve on what he’s shown?

Your argument is far less compelling in standard case, albeit FAR more easy to read than bold text.

I love you, JP, but I am having trouble reading your posts in the bold font all the time. My old eyes have trouble with it.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Taysom had three of four games graded above 100; not just one game as you cited Winston had...

And your citation of Jameis Winston having a one game of a QBR of 114, against the Saints, and the Saints having a better record was less than, complete...

...the Saints were 31st in Team and Passing Defense that year; until Marshon and Mr. Marcus arrived, we had several seasons at the bottom in Pass Def...

The logic I cited is more than sound, you may not like the facts or where it takes you, but it's sound; in three of four games Hill performed well...

And Sean Payton stated in the one game (vs Denver), if Sean is to be believed, the purposely held back the playbook, playcalling against a reserve QB...

Believe his words were something to the effect by design...

And Taysom simply needs more games to gain experience, to be tested vs a larger sample size to fully make an informed decision as to whether he can be the guy...

Jameis had over five seasons in the league; his last team changed to a 43yo QB who has considerably less, diminished physical talent, and they won a SuperBowl...

What has Winston won since entering the NFL?

If it were me, I'd play Taysom a full season, re-evaluate; if the team tanks, you move up in the draft for a franchise QB; if he takes off, you reap the benefits...

With Winston, easily see another three-four years of mediocrity...

Fortunately, it isn't you.

I trust the people that have evaluated Hill for four years to make a decision without experimenting for a full season while we still have enough talent to win it all right now. I want what is best to win NOW. I love Hill as a football player and person. He is one of my favorites on the entire team. I have never been a fan of Winston, but I do care more about the success of the team over individual players. Winston under center and Hill all over on offense and special teams gives us a FAR better chance for success than Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

What about that are you having an issue comprehending, JP?

Oh, and by the way, that team Tampa Bay not only added the best QB to ever play the game but loaded up with high impact free agents that Winston was never afforded. Tell the whole story.

Not to mention that the Bucs also acquiesced to Brady and abandoned the turnover machine style offense that Arians had in place for Winston.

"No risk it, no biscuit!"

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 05:14 PM

So, I just watched this video. After doing so there is no way you will convince me Hill has so far demonstrated he has a higher ceiling than the guy who makes these plays. He needs a little control, and to learn not to force some plays, and a better offensive game plan. But no way in heck has Hill shown that he has a higher ceiling.

YouTube

jeanpierre · 06-08-2021, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, I just watched this video. After doing so there is no way you will convince me Hill has so far demonstrated he has a higher ceiling than the guy who makes these plays. He needs a little control, and to learn not to force some plays, and a better offensive game plan. But no way in heck has Hill shown that he has a higher ceiling.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bMBVLAtTE&t=611s

A career highlights film...

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A career highlights film...

And no career from Hill. He was a pick up from a practice squad. He is an awesome athlete, yet his career highlights are all at positions other than QB.

Do you care more about the immediate, current success of the Saints or giving Taysom Hill some sort of unwarranted chance that might fail, as you pointed out resulting in a high pick?

Which of these two do you desire more:

1) Taysom Hill being starting QB

2) Jameis Winston not being starting QB

Honest answer if you can, JP.

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A career highlights film...

And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have.

Jeopardy theme music.

SaintGnome · 06-08-2021, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, I just watched this video. After doing so there is no way you will convince me Hill has so far demonstrated he has a higher ceiling than the guy who makes these plays. He needs a little control, and to learn not to force some plays, and a better offensive game plan. But no way in heck has Hill shown that he has a higher ceiling.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bMBVLAtTE&t=611s

Every Jameis Winston Interception of the 2019 Season! - YouTube

Not on either side, just want the best one to win the job, but I thought it fair to show tit for tat.

gosaints1 · 06-08-2021, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have.

This video would like a word with you..., and this coming from a forumite who is, and has been, on the record as saying that Winston is the better QB, and Taysom is Inspector Gadget. Some ppl view Winston’s negatives, and being int prone is a negative he has on his resume, as a greater detriment to the team than his positives could ever. It’s a fair criticism, not one I share, but I completely understand their logic.

YouTube

gosaints1 · 06-08-2021, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Every Jameis Winston Interception of the 2019 Season! - YouTube

Not on either side, just want the best one to win the job, but I thought it fair to show tit for tat.

I was putting the same video up as you were, lol. My bad folks, sorry for the dupe.

06-08-2021, 04:29 PM	#71
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint I was demonstrating the usefulness of a small sample size. So far Hill has shown that he can be a good game manager type against some lower opponents when he has a sold O line protecting him and players like Thomas and Kamara to support him. Nothing more so far. He’s not shown he can lead a team with his arm. Winston HAS shown he can do that in games. You also didn’t address my point about him getting better joining up wit Payton at 27 like Brees did. Why are you all fired-up certain that Winston can’t improve on what he’s shown? Your argument is far less compelling in standard case, albeit FAR more easy to read than bold text. I love you, JP, but I am having trouble reading your posts in the bold font all the time. My old eyes have trouble with it.

06-08-2021, 04:36 PM	#72
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre Taysom had three of four games graded above 100; not just one game as you cited Winston had... And your citation of Jameis Winston having a one game of a QBR of 114, against the Saints, and the Saints having a better record was less than, complete... ...the Saints were 31st in Team and Passing Defense that year; until Marshon and Mr. Marcus arrived, we had several seasons at the bottom in Pass Def... The logic I cited is more than sound, you may not like the facts or where it takes you, but it's sound; in three of four games Hill performed well... And Sean Payton stated in the one game (vs Denver), if Sean is to be believed, the purposely held back the playbook, playcalling against a reserve QB... Believe his words were something to the effect by design... And Taysom simply needs more games to gain experience, to be tested vs a larger sample size to fully make an informed decision as to whether he can be the guy... Jameis had over five seasons in the league; his last team changed to a 43yo QB who has considerably less, diminished physical talent, and they won a SuperBowl... What has Winston won since entering the NFL? If it were me, I'd play Taysom a full season, re-evaluate; if the team tanks, you move up in the draft for a franchise QB; if he takes off, you reap the benefits... With Winston, easily see another three-four years of mediocrity... Fortunately, it isn't you. I trust the people that have evaluated Hill for four years to make a decision without experimenting for a full season while we still have enough talent to win it all right now. I want what is best to win NOW. I love Hill as a football player and person. He is one of my favorites on the entire team. I have never been a fan of Winston, but I do care more about the success of the team over individual players. Winston under center and Hill all over on offense and special teams gives us a FAR better chance for success than Hill under center and Winston on the bench. What about that are you having an issue comprehending, JP? Oh, and by the way, that team Tampa Bay not only added the best QB to ever play the game but loaded up with high impact free agents that Winston was never afforded. Tell the whole story. Not to mention that the Bucs also acquiesced to Brady and abandoned the turnover machine style offense that Arians had in place for Winston. "No risk it, no biscuit!"
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-08-2021, 05:37 PM	#74
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, I just watched this video. After doing so there is no way you will convince me Hill has so far demonstrated he has a higher ceiling than the guy who makes these plays. He needs a little control, and to learn not to force some plays, and a better offensive game plan. But no way in heck has Hill shown that he has a higher ceiling. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bMBVLAtTE&t=611s *A career highlights* film...**

06-08-2021, 06:01 PM	#75
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre *A career highlights* film...** And no career from Hill. He was a pick up from a practice squad. He is an awesome athlete, yet his career highlights are all at positions other than QB. Do you care more about the immediate, current success of the Saints or giving Taysom Hill some sort of unwarranted chance that might fail, as you pointed out resulting in a high pick? Which of these two do you desire more: 1) Taysom Hill being starting QB 2) Jameis Winston not being starting QB Honest answer if you can, JP.

06-08-2021, 06:02 PM	#76
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre *A career highlights* film...** And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have.

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06-08-2021, 06:07 PM	#77
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have. Jeopardy theme music.

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