Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

jnormand · 06-08-2021, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game.

Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.

Boston Saint · 06-09-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

JN, this is a good post and I agree with most of it. My only point, and it’s one
that I don’t think some have accepted from me yet is that I don’t WANT Winston to win out over Hill. I don’t believe I have ever said that. I THINK he has shown so far to be the better QB and have more potential for growth than Hill. I THINK he can be a better QB for this team than Hill. I may be wrong of
course.

Winston historically has certainly had more negatives against him in his personality and actions than Hill. I can certainly understand why some want him to fail and are pulling for Hill over him. It’s not hard to understand why.

What I don’t understand is people writing him off and saying they “know who Winston is” and such type things. Acting like he has no chance. The numbers and video show differently. I posted a video of him with numerous plays that require immense skill and talent to perform. Skills that can only be done by someone who possess all the tools necessary to be a successful NFL QB, and the reaction from some is, “Sure, that’s a highlight reel”. Does that mean he didn’t pull off those plays? Does it mean he can’t make more of
those great plays and cut down on the bad ones under Payton’s coaching? I just don’t see why some aren’t willing to give him the same chance as Hill to win the job in Training camp. I’ve seen too many “We know what he is” type comments for me to wrap my head around. Especially for a QB that beat the Saints twice while he was with Tampa.

One last thing is about Winston’s actions and attitudes since he’s been a
Saint. I’ve heard nothing but positives about and from him since he’s been here. His talking about being a family man and getting married was an eye opener about his character for me. I know getting married and becoming a father straightened my ass out quite a bit. He never made a single complaint about Hill starting over him in Brees’s absence last year. He has maturely and gracefully accepted the backup role so he could get a “Harvard education” in QBing was the way he put it I believe. He also get LASIKS done to help his vision (another thing that made a big difference in my life). I just don’t understand the desire to write him off so readily when the option is the VERY unproven Hill.

TheOak · 06-09-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Which if you look at things behaviorally/psychologically you should expect from fans who know in the back of their mind that Winston is the better QB but are coming off 15 years of Drew Brees.

The anchor is gone and its left a hole in the minds of fans, a hole that wont be filled with one shovel of dirt or comment on forums.

Making this racial is the least intellectually taxing or stimulating argument anyone can make. When a race card is dropped the real discussion about two QBs becomes dead and gone.

Boston Saint · 06-09-2021, 09:18 AM

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

rezburna · 06-09-2021, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate. There’s always some level of plausible deniability. I do know Aaron Brooks gets a lot of undeserved, hate for a QB that led us to our first playoff win in franchise history. He had a better winning percentage, completion percentage, more TD’s, and far less interceptions than Archie Manning. Aaron Brooks is the best QB not named Drew Brees in franchise history. Why the hate? If it’s because of his race, we’d still never be able to prove the disdain for him is based on racial bias. It’s a rabbit hole not worth exploring.

I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition.

TheOak · 06-10-2021, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

I speak for no one but myself. I take the league recognizing existence and its subsequent actions on any topic with a grain of salt. If we give credence to everything the league recognizes, then takes action on, we should start with bounties lol no? I am also Gen-X and believe that the NFL should stick to matters of football mostly because of the incompetence of the league and people like Kaepernick who may have the right reasons but do the wrong thing and damage the efforts of many great people who have bettered racial relations in our country. Neither silence nor screaming progress anything.

The NFL is a marketing machine, not a special interest group as are 99% of all of the companies with rainbow logos this month, they want to appeal to wallets.

The NFL recognizes and takes action only on items that have financial implications or liability (a potential to increase revenues or lower profits). While that can be said about all businesses, it does not make them evil, it just makes them both predictable and disingenuous. The greater percentage of the public waits daily, like baby birds, with their mouths open in anticipation of what partially digested mess a marketing department will regurgitated onto them.

On the matter of what someone said.. well brother for every statement made an opposing statement can be found. Are you looking for truth? Good luck with that.. Are you looking for a debate/argument? There is one around every corner.... Are you just genuinely curious like I tend to be, then you are looking for more questions....

'A wolf does not concern it self with the opinions of sheep'. As cheesy as that statement may be it is not terribly bad advice. Let the sheep bahh all the want, it is not like they are going anywhere soon.

To Rez's point, we can not help our thoughts we can only help how we act upon our thoughts. Society gives mixed messages on that topic, social justice wants you to act upon your thoughts or perception of racism... no one wants you to not act upon your thoughts of suicide. With the overarching message being follow your feelings or your gut, If everyone did, there would be a lot more funerals.

I have a general rule, I am willing to discuss race, politics, and religion as long as no one gets racial, political, or religious. Subjective emotion is a sh1t-show.

rezburna · 06-08-2021, 08:32 PM

I wish they would try and pretend Taysom Hill beat out Jameis Winston in training camp. Lol. That boy bout to throw for 4,500+.

Rugby Saint II · 06-09-2021, 02:24 PM

Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year.

Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked.

06-08-2021, 09:49 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

06-09-2021, 08:33 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine. I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game. Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.

06-09-2021, 09:01 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine. JN, this is a good post and I agree with most of it. My only point, and it’s one that I don’t think some have accepted from me yet is that I don’t WANT Winston to win out over Hill. I don’t believe I have ever said that. I THINK he has shown so far to be the better QB and have more potential for growth than Hill. I THINK he can be a better QB for this team than Hill. I may be wrong of course. Winston historically has certainly had more negatives against him in his personality and actions than Hill. I can certainly understand why some want him to fail and are pulling for Hill over him. It’s not hard to understand why. What I don’t understand is people writing him off and saying they “know who Winston is” and such type things. Acting like he has no chance. The numbers and video show differently. I posted a video of him with numerous plays that require immense skill and talent to perform. Skills that can only be done by someone who possess all the tools necessary to be a successful NFL QB, and the reaction from some is, “Sure, that’s a highlight reel”. Does that mean he didn’t pull off those plays? Does it mean he can’t make more of those great plays and cut down on the bad ones under Payton’s coaching? I just don’t see why some aren’t willing to give him the same chance as Hill to win the job in Training camp. I’ve seen too many “We know what he is” type comments for me to wrap my head around. Especially for a QB that beat the Saints twice while he was with Tampa. One last thing is about Winston’s actions and attitudes since he’s been a Saint. I’ve heard nothing but positives about and from him since he’s been here. His talking about being a family man and getting married was an eye opener about his character for me. I know getting married and becoming a father straightened my ass out quite a bit. He never made a single complaint about Hill starting over him in Brees’s absence last year. He has maturely and gracefully accepted the backup role so he could get a “Harvard education” in QBing was the way he put it I believe. He also get LASIKS done to help his vision (another thing that made a big difference in my life). I just don’t understand the desire to write him off so readily when the option is the VERY unproven Hill.
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06-09-2021, 09:01 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Which if you look at things behaviorally/psychologically you should expect from fans who know in the back of their mind that Winston is the better QB but are coming off 15 years of Drew Brees. The anchor is gone and its left a hole in the minds of fans, a hole that wont be filled with one shovel of dirt or comment on forums. Making this racial is the least intellectually taxing or stimulating argument anyone can make. When a race card is dropped the real discussion about two QBs becomes dead and gone. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.

06-09-2021, 09:18 AM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.
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06-09-2021, 10:09 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from. Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate. There’s always some level of plausible deniability. I do know Aaron Brooks gets a lot of undeserved, hate for a QB that led us to our first playoff win in franchise history. He had a better winning percentage, completion percentage, more TD’s, and far less interceptions than Archie Manning. Aaron Brooks is the best QB not named Drew Brees in franchise history. Why the hate? If it’s because of his race, we’d still never be able to prove the disdain for him is based on racial bias. It’s a rabbit hole not worth exploring. I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, K Major and 1 others like this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from. I speak for no one but myself. I take the league recognizing existence and its subsequent actions on any topic with a grain of salt. If we give credence to everything the league recognizes, then takes action on, we should start with bounties lol no? I am also Gen-X and believe that the NFL should stick to matters of football mostly because of the incompetence of the league and people like Kaepernick who may have the right reasons but do the wrong thing and damage the efforts of many great people who have bettered racial relations in our country. Neither silence nor screaming progress anything. The NFL is a marketing machine, not a special interest group as are 99% of all of the companies with rainbow logos this month, they want to appeal to wallets. The NFL recognizes and takes action only on items that have financial implications or liability (a potential to increase revenues or lower profits). While that can be said about all businesses, it does not make them evil, it just makes them both predictable and disingenuous. The greater percentage of the public waits daily, like baby birds, with their mouths open in anticipation of what partially digested mess a marketing department will regurgitated onto them. On the matter of what someone said.. well brother for every statement made an opposing statement can be found. Are you looking for truth? Good luck with that.. Are you looking for a debate/argument? There is one around every corner.... Are you just genuinely curious like I tend to be, then you are looking for more questions.... 'A wolf does not concern it self with the opinions of sheep'. As cheesy as that statement may be it is not terribly bad advice. Let the sheep bahh all the want, it is not like they are going anywhere soon. To Rez's point, we can not help our thoughts we can only help how we act upon our thoughts. Society gives mixed messages on that topic, social justice wants you to act upon your thoughts or perception of racism... no one wants you to not act upon your thoughts of suicide. With the overarching message being follow your feelings or your gut, If everyone did, there would be a lot more funerals. I have a general rule, I am willing to discuss race, politics, and religion as long as no one gets racial, political, or religious. Subjective emotion is a sh1t-show. iceshack149, jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB I wish they would try and pretend Taysom Hill beat out Jameis Winston in training camp. Lol. That boy bout to throw for 4,500+.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year. jnormand, SaintGnome and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Taysom Hill just needs to show up ready to go through his progressions faster. Study film like Drew does and look at all the options on each and every play. Whoever has the better grasp of the playbook and can read protections while not throwing interceptions will take the reigns from Drew this year. Easier said than done. Some QB's never get some of that down. Hill has to first go through a progression before he can do it faster. All he seemed to handle was first look, dump off, or run ... or hold on and get sacked. Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.