Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Boston Saint · 06-07-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter.

That's laughable.

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team.

What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on.

Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times.

Afraid?

PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ...

"PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. "

Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.

jeanpierre · 06-07-2021, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

AsylumGuido · 06-07-2021, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So you're citing college statistics as well?

Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

jeanpierre · 06-07-2021, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner...

Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)...

Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured...

Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner...

From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston...

Boston Saint · 06-05-2021, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW.

Who here has said to not give him a chance?

AsylumGuido · 06-05-2021, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Who here has said to not give him a chance?

Yeah. He definitely has a chance. I don't believe it's a good one, but he does have a chance.

WW_Who_Dat · 06-08-2021, 08:21 AM

There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2021, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.

06-07-2021, 02:11 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Thirty3 College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But, time will tell. AsylumGuido likes this.

06-07-2021, 03:30 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Thirty3 College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate. You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team. What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on. Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times. Afraid? PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ... "PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. " Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.
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06-07-2021, 05:30 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121. He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents. Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's So you're citing college statistics as well? Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either...

06-07-2021, 05:39 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jeanpierre So you're citing college statistics as well? Keep in mind also that Taysom didn't have the supporting cast that Winston had either... If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues. So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that? Well?

06-07-2021, 06:00 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues. So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that? Well? We've seen a large sample size of the best Winston has offered; factor that a 43 yo QB just took Winston's former team and won a Superbowl, he's not an NFL winner... Taysom Hill has only had four career starts at QB and earned QBR ratings of 108.9, 43.2, 107.0, 102.0 respectively (Source: ProFootball Reference)... Hill's small sample size is quite impressive when you also factor that Michael Thomas had some of his best games last year, with Hill, playing injured... Further, in today's game, Hill offers the added dynamic feature of being the better runner... From this we can surmize Hill offers a higher ceiling than Winston... jnormand likes this.
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06-07-2021, 03:32 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But, time will tell. Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter. That's laughable.

06-05-2021, 03:05 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by voodooido What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW. Who here has said to not give him a chance? Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-05-2021, 03:14 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Who here has said to not give him a chance? Yeah. He definitely has a chance. I don't believe it's a good one, but he does have a chance.

06-08-2021, 08:21 AM	#9
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason. TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently. They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN. Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position. AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.

06-08-2021, 08:55 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason. TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently. They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN. Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position. Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.