I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of
his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling?

And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did.

And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no
difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell.

Taysom had three of four games graded above 100; not just one game as you cited Winston had...

And your citation of Jameis Winston having a one game of a QBR of 114, against the Saints, and the Saints having a better record was less than, complete...

...the Saints were 31st in Team and Passing Defense that year; until Marshon and Mr. Marcus arrived, we had several seasons at the bottom in Pass Def...

The logic I cited is more than sound, you may not like the facts or where it takes you, but it's sound; in three of four games Hill performed well...

And Sean Payton stated in the one game (vs Denver), if Sean is to be believed, the purposely held back the playbook, playcalling against a reserve QB...

Believe his words were something to the effect by design...

And Taysom simply needs more games to gain experience, to be tested vs a larger sample size to fully make an informed decision as to whether he can be the guy...

Jameis had over five seasons in the league; his last team changed to a 43yo QB who has considerably less, diminished physical talent, and they won a SuperBowl...

What has Winston won since entering the NFL?

If it were me, I'd play Taysom a full season, re-evaluate; if the team tanks, you move up in the draft for a franchise QB; if he takes off, you reap the benefits...

With Winston, easily see another three-four years of mediocrity...

I was demonstrating the usefulness of a small sample size. So far Hill has shown that he can be a good game manager type against some lower opponents when he has a sold O line protecting him and players like Thomas and Kamara to support him. Nothing more so far. He’s not shown he can lead a team with his arm. Winston HAS shown he can do that in games. You also didn’t address my point about him getting better joining up wit Payton at 27 like Brees did. Why are you all fired-up certain that Winston can’t improve on what he’s shown?

Taysom had three of four games graded above 100; not just one game as you cited Winston had...

And your citation of Jameis Winston having a one game of a QBR of 114, against the Saints, and the Saints having a better record was less than, complete...

...the Saints were 31st in Team and Passing Defense that year; until Marshon and Mr. Marcus arrived, we had several seasons at the bottom in Pass Def...

The logic I cited is more than sound, you may not like the facts or where it takes you, but it's sound; in three of four games Hill performed well...

And Sean Payton stated in the one game (vs Denver), if Sean is to be believed, the purposely held back the playbook, playcalling against a reserve QB...

Believe his words were something to the effect by design...

And Taysom simply needs more games to gain experience, to be tested vs a larger sample size to fully make an informed decision as to whether he can be the guy...

Jameis had over five seasons in the league; his last team changed to a 43yo QB who has considerably less, diminished physical talent, and they won a SuperBowl...

What has Winston won since entering the NFL?

If it were me, I'd play Taysom a full season, re-evaluate; if the team tanks, you move up in the draft for a franchise QB; if he takes off, you reap the benefits...

With Winston, easily see another three-four years of mediocrity...