Saints Are Offering Refunds

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

You asked the question as to why someone with natural immunity should subject themselves to ten or more tests. You then tried to connect folks who maybe should not be vaccinated to having a Q-tip shoved up their nose. To me that's trying to conflate vaccination and testing.

Everyone should be tested. Full stop. Period. Everyone can be a carrier. Anyone who doesn't want to be tested in is fact promoting the idea that they have the right to infect others because their status is unknown.

I'm not getting into the vaccine issue at all. If someone wants to go to the game, go get tested. If it's negative, then enjoy the game.

And no, if someone doesn't want to get tested, they should not be rewarded by cutting into the line for next year. That time is over. It is clear that everyone is going to roll with the pandemic, and that anyone who refuses to try to stem it should suffer the consequences of that decision.

The reason we're back to 160,000 cases a day in the US is because there are all these people, almost all unvaccinated, that won't get tested, won't get a vaccine, and won't wear a mask. We can float down the river with all the denial.

That's my opinion.

SFIAH

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-21-2021, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

Yes. exactly. Thinking otherwise is the reason we're in this predicament that we are in. Get a BinaxNow rapid test. Takes 15 minutes. No lab required. It doesn't have perfect accuracy, but it'll let most folks who are in fact infected know that they are infected.

And personally I would extend this to every venue. Every game. Every concert.

The testing isn't unnecessary. The problem we have right now is that folks who are sick don't know that they are sick. They think they are fine.

We should have started surveillance testing over a year ago. It would have gotten us back to normal much faster as folks who test negative could get on with their day while those who are infected can quarantine.

People catch colds and flus all the time. Covid has an infection rate that's about double the rate of the common cold. It then puts people in the hospital and then into the ground.

The point is that widespread testing is needed because people who are infected yet show no symptoms can spread the infection. Since they have no symptoms, they won't generally get tested. And then the cycle of spreading the infection continues.

Of course another track to curtail this is vaccination. But as BostonSaint has pointed out several times in the last month or so, I'm not touching that subject with a 10 foot pole.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 08-22-2021, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

I'm not sure that all that testing is necessary on game day. People just need to show their vaccination card or proof of a negative test. It's not just for attending games. Vaccinations save lives.

It's almost funny how the deniers go to the doctor for help when they get Covid by going to the ER for doctors to help make them better. If someone doesn't think it works then maybe they don't need to fill the ER when they get sick and save that room for people who believe that doctors can help them. Just sayin'.

08-20-2021, 10:46 PM	#1
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL You asked the question as to why someone with natural immunity should subject themselves to ten or more tests. You then tried to connect folks who maybe should not be vaccinated to having a Q-tip shoved up their nose. To me that's trying to conflate vaccination and testing. Everyone should be tested. Full stop. Period. Everyone can be a carrier. Anyone who doesn't want to be tested in is fact promoting the idea that they have the right to infect others because their status is unknown. I'm not getting into the vaccine issue at all. If someone wants to go to the game, go get tested. If it's negative, then enjoy the game. And no, if someone doesn't want to get tested, they should not be rewarded by cutting into the line for next year. That time is over. It is clear that everyone is going to roll with the pandemic, and that anyone who refuses to try to stem it should suffer the consequences of that decision. The reason we're back to 160,000 cases a day in the US is because there are all these people, almost all unvaccinated, that won't get tested, won't get a vaccine, and won't wear a mask. We can float down the river with all the denial. That's my opinion. SFIAH So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game. That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.
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08-21-2021, 12:02 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game. That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus. Yes. exactly. Thinking otherwise is the reason we're in this predicament that we are in. Get a BinaxNow rapid test. Takes 15 minutes. No lab required. It doesn't have perfect accuracy, but it'll let most folks who are in fact infected know that they are infected. And personally I would extend this to every venue. Every game. Every concert. The testing isn't unnecessary. The problem we have right now is that folks who are sick don't know that they are sick. They think they are fine. We should have started surveillance testing over a year ago. It would have gotten us back to normal much faster as folks who test negative could get on with their day while those who are infected can quarantine. People catch colds and flus all the time. Covid has an infection rate that's about double the rate of the common cold. It then puts people in the hospital and then into the ground. The point is that widespread testing is needed because people who are infected yet show no symptoms can spread the infection. Since they have no symptoms, they won't generally get tested. And then the cycle of spreading the infection continues. Of course another track to curtail this is vaccination. But as BostonSaint has pointed out several times in the last month or so, I'm not touching that subject with a 10 foot pole. SFIAH Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-22-2021, 12:26 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game. That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus. I'm not sure that all that testing is necessary on game day. People just need to show their vaccination card or proof of a negative test. It's not just for attending games. Vaccinations save lives. It's almost funny how the deniers go to the doctor for help when they get Covid by going to the ER for doctors to help make them better. If someone doesn't think it works then maybe they don't need to fill the ER when they get sick and save that room for people who believe that doctors can help them. Just sayin'. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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