Saints Are Offering Refunds

SmashMouth · 08-21-2021, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I understand that it isn't perfect. Nothing is perfect. The most perfect situation would have been if the virus had never mutated to infect humans. But we are where we are.

Just think how many more folks would have been infected if testing wasn't done.

I'm not sure how we're going to get out of this cycle of:

Here is something that will help.

But it isn't perfect. So, what's the point in doing it?

That's been with masks. And vaccines. And testing. And shutdowns.

The only suggestion I hear in counter is let it run it's course, or try to treat it after contraction. The death rate of Covid unchecked is between 300-400 deaths per 100,000 in the population. Do 1,000,000+ people in the country have to die for us to get over this?

SFIAH

Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...

I think flu and common cold are down because of the general precautions of dealing with COVID are effective for the prevention of both of them, as well. Another factor is that this past year had more people get the flu vaccination in any year since 2009-2010. Maybe that's a sign we win the Lombardi again this year.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-21-2021, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...

Monoclonal antibodies are certainly a tool in the toolbox that should be used for treatment. However, it's not an alternative for measures designed to prevent getting infected in the first place.

That's why I wear a mask even though I am fully vaccinated. That's why I test on exposure, even though I'm fully vaccinated. That's why I'll get an infusion if I ever do get infected even though I'm fully vaccinated.

Every measure helps, though none are 100% preventative. Each lowers the chance of getting and spreading the infection.

SFIAH

Boston Saint · 08-21-2021, 01:27 PM

I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid.

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid.

Same here. Very healthy and absolutely not paranoid. When I am out and about now I wear a mask not because I am concerned at all about getting sick since I am fully vaccinated. Simply concern for others.

Boston Saint · 08-21-2021, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Same here. Very healthy and absolutely not paranoid. When I am out and about now I wear a mask not because I am concerned at all about getting sick since I am fully vaccinated. Simply concern for others.

Ahh, you selfless soul you. So worthy of chop busting.

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Ahh, you selfless soul you. So worthy of chop busting.

Why, thank you, my friend.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-21-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid.

Report from Ochsner Medical System:

Average age of covid death for vaccinated patients: 75
Average age of covid death for unvaccinated patients: 48

Covid really doesn't care if you are healthy or not paranoid. The entire point now is that it's killing younger, healthy, unvaccinated people.

SFIAH

Boston Saint · 08-21-2021, 02:52 PM

If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic
nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff.

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic
nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff.

Your mind is made up and cannot be changed. Right or wrong.

By the way, what does "individual freedom" mean?

08-21-2021, 10:13 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,130 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I understand that it isn't perfect. Nothing is perfect. The most perfect situation would have been if the virus had never mutated to infect humans. But we are where we are. Just think how many more folks would have been infected if testing wasn't done. I'm not sure how we're going to get out of this cycle of: Here is something that will help. But it isn't perfect. So, what's the point in doing it? That's been with masks. And vaccines. And testing. And shutdowns. The only suggestion I hear in counter is let it run it's course, or try to treat it after contraction. The death rate of Covid unchecked is between 300-400 deaths per 100,000 in the population. Do 1,000,000+ people in the country have to die for us to get over this? SFIAH Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...

08-21-2021, 10:41 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ... I think flu and common cold are down because of the general precautions of dealing with COVID are effective for the prevention of both of them, as well. Another factor is that this past year had more people get the flu vaccination in any year since 2009-2010. Maybe that's a sign we win the Lombardi again this year.

08-21-2021, 01:16 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ... Monoclonal antibodies are certainly a tool in the toolbox that should be used for treatment. However, it's not an alternative for measures designed to prevent getting infected in the first place. That's why I wear a mask even though I am fully vaccinated. That's why I test on exposure, even though I'm fully vaccinated. That's why I'll get an infusion if I ever do get infected even though I'm fully vaccinated. Every measure helps, though none are 100% preventative. Each lowers the chance of getting and spreading the infection. SFIAH AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-21-2021, 01:27 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid. AsylumGuido, skymike and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-21-2021, 02:01 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid. Same here. Very healthy and absolutely not paranoid. When I am out and about now I wear a mask not because I am concerned at all about getting sick since I am fully vaccinated. Simply concern for others.

08-21-2021, 02:03 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Same here. Very healthy and absolutely not paranoid. When I am out and about now I wear a mask not because I am concerned at all about getting sick since I am fully vaccinated. Simply concern for others. Ahh, you selfless soul you. So worthy of chop busting. skymike likes this.

08-21-2021, 02:05 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint Ahh, you selfless soul you. So worthy of chop busting. Why, thank you, my friend.

08-21-2021, 02:43 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m relatively healthy and not paranoid. Report from Ochsner Medical System: Average age of covid death for vaccinated patients: 75 Average age of covid death for unvaccinated patients: 48 Covid really doesn't care if you are healthy or not paranoid. The entire point now is that it's killing younger, healthy, unvaccinated people. SFIAH Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-21-2021, 02:52 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff.

08-21-2021, 02:58 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint If people want to vaccinate, fine. If people do not want to vaccinate, fine. If people want to mask fine. If not mask, fine. The idea of telling others what they should do because it is good for other people is not supported by logic nor science and against the idea of individual freedom. I will no doubt now hear a version of “you don’t have a study” as a rebuff. Your mind is made up and cannot be changed. Right or wrong. By the way, what does "individual freedom" mean?