Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Perhaps. I might be wrong. I can’t see that coaching would have stopped the missed FG, The bad calls, and Kamara’s fumbles. That was my point. PleSe tell me What could Payton have done to prevent THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS.

"Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD.

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD.

So that doesn’t answer my question. What do you do to prevent a missed FG or Kamara fumbling? What Magic did Payton have that told Kamara not to fumble and why does Kamara feel it’s Ok to fumble now ?

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD.

Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault.

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So that doesn’t answer my question. What do you do to prevent a missed FG or Kamara fumbling? What Magic did Payton have that told Kamara not to fumble and why does Kamara feel it’s Ok to fumble now ?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault.

Ditto and ditto.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ditto and ditto.

Coaches' legal Duties. ...
Plan the activity properly. ...
Provide proper instruction. ...
Provide a safe physical environment. ...
Provide adequate and proper equipment. ...
Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience.
Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ...
Supervise the activity closely ...
MOTIVATE and MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault.

Coaches' legal Duties. ...
Plan the activity properly. ...
Provide proper instruction. ...
Provide a safe physical environment. ...
Provide adequate and proper equipment. ...
Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience.
Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ...
Supervise the activity closely ...
MOTIVATE and MAKE any and all necessary adjustments to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD.

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Coaches' legal Duties. ...
Plan the activity properly. ...
Provide proper instruction. ...
Provide a safe physical environment. ...
Provide adequate and proper equipment. ...
Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience.
Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ...
Supervise the activity closely ...
MOTIVATE and MAKE any and all necessary adjustments to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD.

I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list.

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list.

Ditto, again. Damn, this is scary. I have been agreeing with you entirely too much recently.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list.

"MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD."

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD."

Fair enough. Suffice it to say I think there are some things that are outside of the coaches control. You seem to disagree.

11-28-2022, 03:09 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Perhaps. I might be wrong. I can’t see that coaching would have stopped the missed FG, The bad calls, and Kamara’s fumbles. That was my point. PleSe tell me What could Payton have done to prevent THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS. "Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD. dizzle88 likes this.
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11-28-2022, 04:13 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner "Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD. So that doesn’t answer my question. What do you do to prevent a missed FG or Kamara fumbling? What Magic did Payton have that told Kamara not to fumble and why does Kamara feel it’s Ok to fumble now ? AsylumGuido likes this.

11-28-2022, 04:19 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner "Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD. Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault. AsylumGuido likes this.

11-28-2022, 04:27 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint So that doesn’t answer my question. What do you do to prevent a missed FG or Kamara fumbling? What Magic did Payton have that told Kamara not to fumble and why does Kamara feel it’s Ok to fumble now ? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault. Ditto and ditto.

11-28-2022, 04:36 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ditto and ditto. Coaches' legal Duties. ... Plan the activity properly. ... Provide proper instruction. ... Provide a safe physical environment. ... Provide adequate and proper equipment. ... Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience. Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ... Supervise the activity closely ... MOTIVATE and MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity. PERIOD.
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11-28-2022, 04:35 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault. Coaches' legal Duties. ... Plan the activity properly. ... Provide proper instruction. ... Provide a safe physical environment. ... Provide adequate and proper equipment. ... Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience. Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ... Supervise the activity closely ... MOTIVATE and MAKE any and all necessary adjustments to maximize Players' performance/productivity. PERIOD.
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11-28-2022, 04:43 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner Coaches' legal Duties. ... Plan the activity properly. ... Provide proper instruction. ... Provide a safe physical environment. ... Provide adequate and proper equipment. ... Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience. Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ... Supervise the activity closely ... MOTIVATE and MAKE any and all necessary adjustments to maximize Players' performance/productivity. PERIOD. I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list. AsylumGuido likes this.

11-28-2022, 04:50 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list. Ditto, again. Damn, this is scary. I have been agreeing with you entirely too much recently.

11-28-2022, 04:56 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list. "MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity. PERIOD."
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11-28-2022, 05:42 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner "MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity. PERIOD." Fair enough. Suffice it to say I think there are some things that are outside of the coaches control. You seem to disagree. AsylumGuido likes this.