The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread

saintsfan1976 · 08-16-2023, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And who's to say that any players drafted with those picks would be any better than what we already have as developmental players at those positions? As someone else pointed out here finding quality offensive line depth isn't as easy as it is made out to be. I'm not saying it wouldn't be great. What I am saying is that they don't just grow on trees.

Here's what we have now. We usually keep nine on the 53 man roster and a couple on the practice squad.

LT 70 Penning, Trevor 22/1 67 Young, Landon 21/6 66 Kidd, Lewis CF22
LG 75 Peat, Andrus 15/1 74 HURST, JAMES CC/Bal 62 Kraemer, Tommy U/Det
C 78 McCoy, Erik 19/2 73 GARCIA, MAX U/Arz 65 Pihlstrom, Alex CF23
RG 51 Ruiz, Cesar 20/1 64 Saldiveri, Nick 23/4 76 Throckmorton, Calvin CF20 61 Filiaga, Chuck W/GB
RT 71 Ramczyk, Ryan 17/1 72 Norton, Storm U/LAC 68 Evans II, Mark CF23

Then we traded for or drafted the wrong players.
Davenport
Tommy Stevens
Adam Trautman
Zach Baun
Ian Book

AsylumGuido · 08-16-2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Then we traded for or drafted the wrong players.
Davenport
Tommy Stevens
Adam Trautman
Zach Baun
Ian Book

Baun actually looked good this past weekend. He made some splash plays.

That said, why would we think any offensive lineman drafted instead of any of those players would eventually turn out any better than what we currently have to work with this camp? Once again, it all comes down to health. There isn't a team in the league with enough quality depth to not struggle with losing two or three starting offensive linemen. Not even the mighty "Feagles".

It seems there are only so many humans alive that have the ability and desire to be a great offensive lineman. I would love it if we had a full compliment of nine of them to start the season. But, like you, I have no idea how to go about that.

SmashMouth · 08-16-2023, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Then we traded for or drafted the wrong players.
Davenport
Tommy Stevens
Adam Trautman
Zach Baun
Ian Book

Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence.

AsylumGuido · 08-16-2023, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence.

Doesn't hurt anymore. Water under the bridge. Woulda', coulda', shoulda' has no impact on anything moving forward.

Boston Saint · 08-16-2023, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence.

Indeed.

SmashMouth · 08-16-2023, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Doesn't hurt anymore. Water under the bridge. Woulda', coulda', shoulda' has no impact on anything moving forward.

It's the very same argument. Historically, no player other than a very few handful are worth two number ones in a move up situation in the draft. Yes, Mahomes is one of those rare exceptions. Ingram's career was good, but still not worth two ones, arguably. I expect us to witness this very same argument play out with the former QB from Bama.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Indeed.

AsylumGuido · 08-16-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It's the very same argument. Historically, no player other than a very few handful are worth two number ones in a move up situation in the draft. Yes, Mahomes is one of those rare exceptions. Ingram's career was good, but still not worth two ones, arguably. I expect us to witness this very same argument play out with the former QB from Bama.

Then again, you have numerous number ones that have been selected that were busts on a single pick. It all comes back around to doing what you think as management is the best move at the time. Nobody knows how it's going to turn out in the long run and by then it no longer matters.

rezburna · 08-16-2023, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence.

*Lamar Jackson

AsylumGuido · 08-17-2023, 10:58 AM

Updated Ourlads Depth Chart as of 6:36 PM, August 15th.

OFFENSE

LWR	13	THOMAS, MICHAEL 16/2	18	Kirkwood, Keith CF18	11	Edwards, Bryan SF23	88	Davis, Shaquan CF23
RWR	12	Olave, Chris 22/1	17	Perry, A.T. 23/6	15	Baker, Kawaan 21/7	85	Kirklin, Jontre SF23
SWR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22	10	Smith, Tre'Quan 18/3	84	Bowden, Lynn SF23
LT	70	Penning, Trevor 22/1	67	Young, Landon 21/6	66	Kidd, Lewis CF22
LG	75	Peat, Andrus 15/1	74	HURST, JAMES CC/Bal	62	Kraemer, Tommy U/Det
C	78	McCoy, Erik 19/2	73	GARCIA, MAX U/Arz	65	Pihlstrom, Alex CF23
RG	51	Ruiz, Cesar 20/1	64	Saldiveri, Nick 23/4	76	Throckmorton, Calvin CF20	61	Filiaga, Chuck W/GB
RT	71	Ramczyk, Ryan 17/1	72	Norton, Storm U/LAC	68	Evans II, Mark CF23
TE	83	Johnson, Juwan CF20	82	Moreau, Foster U/LV	7	HILL, TAYSOM W/GB	80	GRAHAM, JIMMY 10/3	87	Krull, Lucas CF22
TE							81	James, Jesse U/Cle	86	Holtz, J.P. U/Chi
QB	4	CARR, DEREK CC/LV	2	Winston, Jameis U/TB	14	Haener, Jake 23/4
RB	30	Williams, Jamaal U/Det	25	Miller, Kendre 23/3	33	Merritt, Kirk SF22	35	Merriweather, Ellis CF23	34	Williams, Darrel U/Arz
FB	46	Prentice, Adam W/Den	47	Bargas, Jake SF23

DEFENSE

LDE	94	JORDAN, CAMERON 11/1	92	Kpassagnon, Tanoh U/KC	54	Lalos, Niko SF22	91	Phillips, Kyle U/NYJ
LDT	93	Shepherd, Nathan U/NYJ	90	Bresee, Bryan 23/1	95	Heflin, Jack SF23
RDT	99	Saunders, Khalen U/KC	97	Roach, Malcolm CF20	57	Emili, Prince SF22	77	Cage, Jerron CF23
RDE	96	Granderson, Carl CF19	55	Foskey, Isaiah 23/2	98	Turner, Payton 21/1
WLB	20	Werner, Pete 21/2	45	Sewell, Nephi CF22	58	Orji, Anfernee CF23
MLB	56	DAVIS, DEMARIO U/NYJ	52	Jackson, D'Marco 22/5	42	Summers, Ty P/Jax	40	Anderson, Nick CF23
SLB	53	Baun, Zack 20/3	59	Smith, Jaylon U/NYG	43	Connelly, Ryan SF23
LCB	1	Taylor, Alontae 22/2	29	Adebo, Paulson 21/3	37	Pride Jr., Troy SF23	36	Johnson, Anthony CF23
SS	6	Maye, Marcus U/NYJ	31	Howden, Jordan 23/5	24	Abram, Johnathan U/Sea
FS	32	MATHIEU, TYRANN U/KC	48	Gray, J.T. CF18	38	Monday, Smoke CF22
RCB	23	Lattimore, Marshon 17/1	27	Yiadom, Isaac SF22	44	Frye, Adrian CF23
NB	21	ROBY, BRADLEY T/Hou	28	Johnson Jr., Lonnie U/Ten	00	Amadi, Ugo SF23

SPECIAL TEAMS

PT	5	Gillikin, Blake CF20	39	HEDLEY, LOU CF23
PK	3	Lutz, Wil SF16	19	Grupe, Blake CF23
LS	49	WOOD, ZACH SF17
H	5	Gillikin, Blake CF20	39	HEDLEY, LOU CF23
KO	3	Lutz, Wil SF16	19	Grupe, Blake CF23
PR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22
KR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22

RESERVES

RES

41

Kamara, Alvin SUS

26

Benjamin, Eno IR

59

TURNER, TRAI IR

50

Dowell, Andrew IR

61

Lashley, Scott IR

Rugby Saint II · 08-17-2023, 12:18 PM

I thought that the Davenport was a good trade and believed he would earn his draft status. But we didn't see his injuries mounting up and shutting down a promising career. A promising QB may be worth two first round picks but rarely has it worked out for us. MI was good but not great. Which, is what I want from two first round draft picks.

08-16-2023, 11:36 AM	#162
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,401	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Then we traded for or drafted the wrong players. Davenport Tommy Stevens Adam Trautman Zach Baun Ian Book Baun actually looked good this past weekend. He made some splash plays. That said, why would we think any offensive lineman drafted instead of any of those players would eventually turn out any better than what we currently have to work with this camp? Once again, it all comes down to health. There isn't a team in the league with enough quality depth to not struggle with losing two or three starting offensive linemen. Not even the mighty "Feagles". It seems there are only so many humans alive that have the ability and desire to be a great offensive lineman. I would love it if we had a full compliment of nine of them to start the season. But, like you, I have no idea how to go about that.
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08-16-2023, 02:30 PM	#163
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,117 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Then we traded for or drafted the wrong players. Davenport Tommy Stevens Adam Trautman Zach Baun Ian Book Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence. leilung and Boston Saint like this.

08-16-2023, 02:35 PM	#164
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,401	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence. Doesn't hurt anymore. Water under the bridge. Woulda', coulda', shoulda' has no impact on anything moving forward.

08-16-2023, 03:08 PM	#165
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,879	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence. Indeed.

08-16-2023, 03:31 PM	#166
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,117 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Doesn't hurt anymore. Water under the bridge. Woulda', coulda', shoulda' has no impact on anything moving forward. It's the very same argument. Historically, no player other than a very few handful are worth two number ones in a move up situation in the draft. Yes, Mahomes is one of those rare exceptions. Ingram's career was good, but still not worth two ones, arguably. I expect us to witness this very same argument play out with the former QB from Bama. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Indeed.

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08-16-2023, 04:16 PM	#167
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,401	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's the very same argument. Historically, no player other than a very few handful are worth two number ones in a move up situation in the draft. Yes, Mahomes is one of those rare exceptions. Ingram's career was good, but still not worth two ones, arguably. I expect us to witness this very same argument play out with the former QB from Bama. Then again, you have numerous number ones that have been selected that were busts on a single pick. It all comes back around to doing what you think as management is the best move at the time. Nobody knows how it's going to turn out in the long run and by then it no longer matters.

08-16-2023, 05:47 PM	#168
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Out of that list, Davenport is the one hurts the most since he cost two number ones in essence. *Lamar Jackson AsylumGuido likes this.

08-17-2023, 12:18 PM	#170
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,774	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread I thought that the Davenport was a good trade and believed he would earn his draft status. But we didn't see his injuries mounting up and shutting down a promising career. A promising QB may be worth two first round picks but rarely has it worked out for us. MI was good but not great. Which, is what I want from two first round draft picks.