Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion

02-26-2024, 04:39 PM

Brock Bowers - TE Georgia

Saints have ignored the TE position for quite some time.

You need more PLAYMAKERS to compete with the big boys on Sundays.

Georgia TE Brock Bowers 2023 Highlights á´´á´° - YouTube

BakoSaint · 02-26-2024, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Then I would argue we not DRAFT another DE. Unless the consensus "can't miss, day one impact" guy is there at 14, it may be smart to spend the money in FA on a proven player.

I don't want us to spend money in free agency. We have a lot of players who getting old for their positions and/or have major injury concerns such as Kamara, Davis, and Ram. I think the wisest move would be to use any spare money to avoid restructuring their contracts or spending the year well under the cap so we have financial flexibility to take dead cap hits later when they come, not extend them all to age 40. If we max or it will be cheaper to keep them all until they are Brady's age, on a year by year basis. I think we should also explore trades, but we can't do that if we can't afford dead cap hit one would bring.

BakoSaint · 02-26-2024, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Brock Bowers - TE Georgia

Saints have ignored the TE position for quite some time.

You need more PLAYMAKERS to compete with the big boys on Sundays.

Georgia TE Brock Bowers 2023 Highlights á´´á´° - YouTube

F the Falcons. Don't copy their model. Tight end in the 1st round has not worked in 30 years.

K Major · 02-26-2024, 04:41 PM

Saints also need a legit replacement for Ramz.

This is a OLD team and people are still talking that "win now mode" for 4, 5 years now.

It's time to rebuild this franchise with young studs.

K Major · 02-26-2024, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

F the Falcons. Don't copy their model. Tight end in the 1st round has not worked in 30 years.

Who is talking about the Falcons Bako? And who is copying them?

The Saints need legit playmakers all across the board. If this kid is rated the best on the scouts board and he is available, they select him ... so be it.

This organization needs more quality starters on both sides of the ball.

K Major · 02-26-2024, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Then I would argue we not DRAFT another DE. Unless the consensus "can't miss, day one impact" guy is there at 14, it may be smart to spend the money in FA on a proven player.

I think Jared Verse could be last years version of 2023 Rookie stud DE Lukas Van Ness (immediate impact for the Packers) who was selected at 13.

At pick #14, I think we'll have some good prospects available still on the board.

Rugby Saint II · 02-26-2024, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

What if the staff feels Foskey and Turner are healthy enough and ready?

Do you still spend another high draft pick on a DE?

Originally Posted by K Major

Yes, I would.

Especially if a guy like Bama's Dallas Turner or Jared Verse is still on the board. We have to take advantage of potentially adding another speedy, athletic pass rusher. Personally I don't trust Payton Turner's health (played in 15 games in 3 seasons) & no clue what we have in Foskey.

Saints need more juice off the edge.

BPA in the trenches from both the first and second round.

BakoSaint · 02-26-2024, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Who is talking about the Falcons Bako? And who is copying them?

The Saints need legit playmakers all across the board. If this kid is rated the best on the scouts board and he is available, they select him ... so be it.

This organization needs more quality starters on both sides of the ball.

The Falcons went TE high in the 1st round recently and it has not worked. Repeating their mistake would be copying them.

We need quality starters. We need playmakers. I think we need those on the oline and pass rush most. But an argument I have made many times and I am convinced of is that TE is not a position where you can predict from college who the playmakers will be in the NFL at an acceptable rate. It's a uniquely unpredictable position. The last great 1st round TE to come out in the draft was Tony Gonzalez. Every 1st round TE in the 30+ years since has been a 'Meh' value for position drafted or a total bust and all the great TE's since Tony have been later round picks. The average value at dline or oline in the 1st round is massively higher than in say the 3rd-5th. For TE its a crapshoot no matter what would you pick in, so smart teams take TE in later rounds. If you look at the TE position in the last 40 years there is almost no relationship between round drafted and great players, whereas at other positions the odds of finding a great player drop exponentially with each later round.

Being a successful TE in college translates to the pros more like being a successful college coach translates to the pros, not how success at dline or oline translates to the pros. Basically every college TE should be looked at like Mike Stoops or Chip Kelly.

K Major · 02-26-2024, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

BPA in the trenches from both the first and second round.

Right. That's what we said 2 years ago and ended up with Penning who has struggled badly.

Oh don't leave out former 2nd rounder Foskey from last season either

. Who knows if he will pan out or not.

Saints gotta hit home runs on this 2024 draft.

BakoSaint · 02-26-2024, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Right. That's what we said 2 years ago and ended up with Penning who has struggled badly.

Oh don't leave out former 2nd rounder Foskey from last season either . Who knows if he will pan out or not.

Saints gotta hit home runs on this 2024 draft.

Our front office was under the impression that BPA stood for Biggest Project Available. They have been drafting 'BPA' for years.

02-26-2024, 04:40 PM	#42
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Then I would argue we not DRAFT another DE. Unless the consensus "can't miss, day one impact" guy is there at 14, it may be smart to spend the money in FA on a proven player. I don't want us to spend money in free agency. We have a lot of players who getting old for their positions and/or have major injury concerns such as Kamara, Davis, and Ram. I think the wisest move would be to use any spare money to avoid restructuring their contracts or spending the year well under the cap so we have financial flexibility to take dead cap hits later when they come, not extend them all to age 40. If we max or it will be cheaper to keep them all until they are Brady's age, on a year by year basis. I think we should also explore trades, but we can't do that if we can't afford dead cap hit one would bring.
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02-26-2024, 04:41 PM	#43
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by K Major Brock Bowers - TE Georgia Saints have ignored the TE position for quite some time. You need more PLAYMAKERS to compete with the big boys on Sundays. Georgia TE Brock Bowers 2023 Highlights á´´á´° - YouTube F the Falcons. Don't copy their model. Tight end in the 1st round has not worked in 30 years.
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02-26-2024, 04:41 PM	#44
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Saints also need a legit replacement for Ramz. This is a OLD team and people are still talking that "win now mode" for 4, 5 years now. It's time to rebuild this franchise with young studs. BakoSaint likes this.

02-26-2024, 04:45 PM	#45
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by BakoSaint F the Falcons. Don't copy their model. Tight end in the 1st round has not worked in 30 years. Who is talking about the Falcons Bako? And who is copying them? The Saints need legit playmakers all across the board. If this kid is rated the best on the scouts board and he is available, they select him ... so be it. This organization needs more quality starters on both sides of the ball. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-26-2024, 05:01 PM	#46
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Then I would argue we not DRAFT another DE. Unless the consensus "can't miss, day one impact" guy is there at 14, it may be smart to spend the money in FA on a proven player. I think Jared Verse could be last years version of 2023 Rookie stud DE Lukas Van Ness (immediate impact for the Packers) who was selected at 13. At pick #14, I think we'll have some good prospects available still on the board. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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02-26-2024, 06:08 PM	#47
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 What if the staff feels Foskey and Turner are healthy enough and ready? Do you still spend another high draft pick on a DE? Originally Posted by K Major Yes, I would. Especially if a guy like Bama's Dallas Turner or Jared Verse is still on the board. We have to take advantage of potentially adding another speedy, athletic pass rusher. Personally I don't trust Payton Turner's health (played in 15 games in 3 seasons) & no clue what we have in Foskey. Saints need more juice off the edge. BPA in the trenches from both the first and second round. Danno and BakoSaint like this.

02-26-2024, 07:08 PM	#48
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by K Major Who is talking about the Falcons Bako? And who is copying them? The Saints need legit playmakers all across the board. If this kid is rated the best on the scouts board and he is available, they select him ... so be it. This organization needs more quality starters on both sides of the ball. The Falcons went TE high in the 1st round recently and it has not worked. Repeating their mistake would be copying them. We need quality starters. We need playmakers. I think we need those on the oline and pass rush most. But an argument I have made many times and I am convinced of is that TE is not a position where you can predict from college who the playmakers will be in the NFL at an acceptable rate. It's a uniquely unpredictable position. The last great 1st round TE to come out in the draft was Tony Gonzalez. Every 1st round TE in the 30+ years since has been a 'Meh' value for position drafted or a total bust and all the great TE's since Tony have been later round picks. The average value at dline or oline in the 1st round is massively higher than in say the 3rd-5th. For TE its a crapshoot no matter what would you pick in, so smart teams take TE in later rounds. If you look at the TE position in the last 40 years there is almost no relationship between round drafted and great players, whereas at other positions the odds of finding a great player drop exponentially with each later round. Being a successful TE in college translates to the pros more like being a successful college coach translates to the pros, not how success at dline or oline translates to the pros. Basically every college TE should be looked at like Mike Stoops or Chip Kelly.
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02-26-2024, 08:09 PM	#49
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II BPA in the trenches from both the first and second round. Right. That's what we said 2 years ago and ended up with Penning who has struggled badly. Oh don't leave out former 2nd rounder Foskey from last season either . Who knows if he will pan out or not. Saints gotta hit home runs on this 2024 draft. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-26-2024, 09:51 PM	#50
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by K Major Right. That's what we said 2 years ago and ended up with Penning who has struggled badly. Oh don't leave out former 2nd rounder Foskey from last season either . Who knows if he will pan out or not. Saints gotta hit home runs on this 2024 draft. Our front office was under the impression that BPA stood for Biggest Project Available. They have been drafting 'BPA' for years. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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