K Major

Right. That's what we said 2 years ago and ended up with Penning who has struggled badly.

Oh don't leave out former 2nd rounder Foskey from last season either . Who knows if he will pan out or not.

Saints gotta hit home runs on this 2024 draft.

K Major

Brock Bowers - TE Georgia

Saints have ignored the TE position for quite some time.

You need more PLAYMAKERS to compete with the big boys on Sundays.

BakoSaint

F the Falcons. Don't copy their model. Tight end in the 1st round has not worked in 30 years.

K Major

Who is talking about the Falcons Bako? And who is copying them?

The Saints need legit playmakers all across the board. If this kid is rated the best on the scouts board and he is available, they select him ... so be it.

This organization needs more quality starters on both sides of the ball.

BakoSaint

The Falcons went TE high in the 1st round recently and it has not worked. Repeating their mistake would be copying them.

We need quality starters. We need playmakers. I think we need those on the oline and pass rush most. But an argument I have made many times and I am convinced of is that TE is not a position where you can predict from college who the playmakers will be in the NFL at an acceptable rate. It's a uniquely unpredictable position. The last great 1st round TE to come out in the draft was Tony Gonzalez. Every 1st round TE in the 30+ years since has been a 'Meh' value for position drafted or a total bust and all the great TE's since Tony have been later round picks. The average value at dline or oline in the 1st round is massively higher than in say the 3rd-5th. For TE its a crapshoot no matter what would you pick in, so smart teams take TE in later rounds. If you look at the TE position in the last 40 years there is almost no relationship between round drafted and great players, whereas at other positions the odds of finding a great player drop exponentially with each later round.

Being a successful TE in college translates to the pros more like being a successful college coach translates to the pros, not how success at dline or oline translates to the pros. Basically every college TE should be looked at like Mike Stoops or Chip Kelly.

K Major

Saints also need a legit replacement for Ramz.

This is a OLD team and people are still talking that "win now mode" for 4, 5 years now.

It's time to rebuild this franchise with young studs.

K Major

Those first two Saints draft picks in 2024 …

Should either START or get in rotation as rookies.

Bryan Bresee was a solid 2023 selection. He’s looks like the truth.

AsylumGuido

Looks like we're trading all our picks the next two years to go and get Daniels.

rezburna

I’m cool with that.

BakoSaint

I don't think Daniels is realistic with the other moves we are making and our needs. We are already over the 2025 salary cap and moving on from Carr in 2025 would entail an about $50 million dead cap hit. We badly need oline to protect Carr or any other QB and pass rush to combine with our good secondary to make our defense work, and if we use our 1st round pick and other picks trading up to land Daniels, we can't use any of those picks on oline or pass rush this draft or even next draft.

So what would be the play here? Go into 2024 and 2025 with a QB controversy? Pay Taysom Hill $10 million to be the joker QB, Derek Carr $40 million to be the pocket QB, and spend two years of 1st round picks and more on Daniels who could be both in the future, but can't be either now unless we bench one of those highly paid guys? We would be spending more resources on the QB position than any team in the NFL while dividing those resources 3 ways and ignoring glaring weaknesses in the trenches for multiple years. And the same would likely continue in 2025 given our cap situation. Then maybe in 2026 if we made a lot of cap sacrifices we could eventually go through a 2 year rebuild to pay off the dead cap of cutting Carr and Hill in the 2026 offseasons and emerge able to start adding the oline and pass rush pieces to compete with Daniels from 2028-2029. Meanwhile if Daniels works out, we completely miss the ability to use his rookie contract years to our advantage? It makes no sense. Either rebuild and be able to purge Carr's salary at least by 2025 by not restructuring him this year (we already restructured him) or ride with Carr and take a QB with the early pick we get later if he crashes, or we lose a lot during a rebuild year after cutting him.

I don't even think Loomis or DA are seriously considering taking Daniels. What I think they are doing is PR. Keeping the fans interested. It was a rough season. The Saints were not fun to watch. LSU was. The idea of Daniels is the bread crumbs to tide fans over with excitement for a few months of the offseason while the reality of restructuring Carr, Ram, and a bunch of past their prime players with another year of DA as head coach sets in. We don't actually need to draft Daniels for speculation of a move to excite fans. It's like a celebrity dating rumor, it keeps our name in the news even if it has no basis in fact. It's free advertising for Mickey Loomis' Ford Pinto.

Meanwhile DA and Loomis may actually be thinking of trading up for a flashier oline or pass rusher to mortgage the future and win an extra game or two now to buy themselves an extra year. Another Marcus Davenport or Trevor Penning style hail mary to save their jobs. That might not be palatable to fans. But if they sell the idea of trading up with the shiny prospect of drafting fan favorite Daniels, even if its unrealistic, that will force many fans to accept the idea of the Saints trading up, and they can bait and switch the move to trade up for Daniels into trading up for their next Davenport. In reality we should stand pat and draft at our original position so that if we fail, there is an insurance policy in the form of a high 2025 draft pick so that our GM and HC job openings are actually attractive to candidates when they open up. Of course Loomis and DA would probably rather trade our future picks to make those jobs unattractive so that we will have to retain them because "who else can we get, we won't be high on anyone's list."