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First of all, no team is going to go undefeated. I know that as well as anyone else. I've always thought the whole exercise of "predicting a record" was foolishness, therefore I have always (for decades) gave the foolish prediction of whatever is required to go undefeated through the Super Bowl. Anyone that can't understand that has a few screws loose. :rolleyes:

Secondly, we all know that Carmichael was NEVER the Saints offensive coordinator in anything other than title. He was in the room while Payton and Brees were drawing up plays, but we all know rarely actually called those plays in his 14 years and when he did he had Brees there to audible to something that would work.

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^^^ This is coming from a guy who is quoted as saying, “Winning a championship is not the goal” and “We are going to win the Super Bowl next year” in the same thread.

“Cocaine is a helluva drug” ~ Rick James

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Back to the subject of the thread.

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A role here that definitely needs filled.

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Seriously dude… you need to step away from the psilocybin.

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Stanley Morgan first interview.

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St. Augustine alum.

So does he get all of the punt and kick off return reps @ camp?

I never liked Shaheed back there. He's too valuable.

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If Peat leaves, you have even more holes to fill in those trenches.

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Chase Young rescheduled Saints visit, touring facility on Monday

For the record, I hope the Saints make this happen.

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Championship! But, wait, I thought we were in cap hell?

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Gut feeling was right, but the date was wrong. :dunce:

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Saints add offensive line depth with ex-Viking swing G/T Oli Udoh.

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Hope his jersey number brings us good luck. A Davenport reference here, for those in Rio Linda.

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Our defense is getting better with added talent and our offense should be better with added coaching. On all accounts we look to be a better all round team than last season.

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I know we are not bringing in the best out there but Young is pretty darn close. Also, with the O-Line signing it opens up more positions early on in the draft. Yall would be on your knees if SP was making these moves.

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But we got Dennis Allen. Please rise.

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You people have to make up your mind. Are you mad because we retained DA, because he was not bringing in any FA, or because you are a miserable human being? The fact is, he has had one year. I do not think he is the best we could have gotten but give the man a chance. If he falls on his face this year, I'll join the fire DA chant with you.

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2 years. He’s had more than a chance. I started the “Fire DA” chant when he said “Just keep doing what you’re doing”, 2 years ago. When Loomis said “We have all the right people in the building” during this most recent season, I started chanting “Sell the whole franchise to people who give a sh*t about winning football games”, but “Kumbaya” keeps drowning it out.

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What does that tell you if a majority of the people think you're a fool?

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I'd say that chances are that the majority is most likely correct. Only a fool would think they weren't.

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Actually two years, and an additional three years with the Raiders.
He’s done nothing to make me feel he’s a head coach that will lead us to winning seasons and a championship in his five year tenure as a head coach.
Add in the fact that it was a team decision to go against his orders in that last game is not a good look for him. I’m not a fan of him as a head coach until he proves himself, and he’s yet to do that. I want results, not hopes and dreams

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Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya…

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Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya…

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So what you're saying is that Allen's HC seat is hot?

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I am very consistent. I am mad because we retained Dennis Allen and I am mad because we did not rebuild. I don't believe we could win without a rebuild under any coach and I don't think we could win under Dennis Allen even with a genius rebuild, so I will be mad if we don't do both unless I am proven wrong by results.

Renting an injury prone lazy first round bust for $13 million for the year at DE less than 12 months after signing both our existing starting DE's to fresh new contracts is not consistent with rebuilding. My argument was never that our cap situation prevents us from signing 1-2 big free agents, its that we are more than 1-2 big free agents away from winning because those 1-2 big free agents are a break even wash when weighed against the aging of our core, and the only way we can afford them is by restructuring and extending our aging core and letting promise young players like Hendrickson, Ellis, and Yiadom walk.

Dennis Allen has had 5 years as head coach and he has never beat a winning team with their true franchise QB starting. When he occasionally beats a winning team its with a journeyman Baker Mayfield on trial, Gardner Minshew filling in, etc. He is a proven mediocre commodity.

I would not be celebrating the Chase Young signing if Sean Payton was still here. I have been critical of Mickey Loomis' cap management for over 5 years. This reminds me of the Nick Fairley signing. Hopefully it is not so big of a disaster. Fairley took Loomis for all he was worth. He flashed ok production the first year, signed a long term deal, and immediately went to see his own doctor about a pre-existing condition the Saints didn't bother to check out and kept all the guaranteed money from that big deal without ever playing a down. Mickey Loomis has been dead to me since then. He probably forgot to order a thorough physical that covered pre-existing conditions before the Fairley extension because he was drunk. The years of the Fairley contract were the key window years of Drew Brees peak. I can see the same thing happening with Young. He was a borderline draft bust like Fairley, had injury and effort concerns like Fairley, had to sign a prove-it deal with us like Fairley, and either he is totally unproductive for us, or he manages to at least be ok. History tells us that if he is at least ok, Loomis will jump to sign him to a monster extension, maybe even early in-season, and then he will slack off and blame injury.

One thing that will be critical in 2024 is how the NFL orders the games for the Saints schedule. If we play teams like the Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Eagles, Browns, Rams, and even the Cousins Falcons (if he is back week 1) and Mayfield Bucs early, we may get off to a slow start. But if we play the Panthers, Giants, Raiders, and Broncos for our first 4 games, its possible we could start hot at 3-1 and lead Loomis to give himself, Allen, Carr, Young, etc new long term contracts. Last season our weak schedule which started with especially weak opponents led to giving Ruiz and Granderson unmerited contract extensions, and would have led to extensions for DA and Loomis if we had beat the Packers. Hopefully our schedule will start with the prove it games against teams like Dallas and KC so that if anyone wants an extension they have to earn it.

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:popcorn:

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I'm not ready for a rebuild. I believe we have a good nucleus. We can add a few pieces we are right in the mix for the playoffs. If we lay another turd I'll join you in calling for a rebuilding.

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“What does that tell you if a majority of the people think you're a fool?”

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One can only hope K, however our GM did compare his slow “start” to some HOF coaches, so who knows

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I think we already established you are indeed a fool. Also, with all the hate you spew, why are you here? Are you just a kid and don't remember the worst of times? What about when we picked up Jeff Blake and he went down? Everyone thought the sky was falling. AB stepped in and gave us a good show. Brooks quarterbacked the Saints to only their second division championship and to the first playoff victory in franchise history. Good things come when things look bleak. I just hope you find another team to your liking. We don't need you here.

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I was there for Brooks taking down the greatest show on turf, while Haslett looked on like a deer in the headlights. That was amazing.

WE AINT DAT. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Carr’s day came and went, while he was still wearing black and silver. Dennis Allen’s days should have been over two seasons ago.

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We'll see in about 6 months. Where is your red line? If we go 9-8 and miss the playoffs again and its because of something totally unforeseeable like Ram suffering a setback, Davis's production dropping off with age, or Young displaying some combination of injury and lack of effort, will you give DA another year?

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What evidence do you have that "majority of the people" think that?

We could make that same assertion about you. You come here everyday and *****, moan, and complain about something you cannot do anything about, and isn't going to change anytime soon. Insanity is typically defined as doing the same thing and expecting a different result. You've been at this campaign for about two years since Allen was hired and yet nothing about the Saints, and I mean absolutely nothing (other than PC leaving), has changed.

It's not foolish to try to figure out how to make lemonade from lemons when lemons are all you got. But when you have a handful of lemons and expect to finish with a glass of Ace of Spades? Which one is more foolish?

SFIAH

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Hadn't seen it posted anywhere so ...

The #Saints are expected to sign former #Vikings G/T Oli Udoh to a 1-year deal, per source.

FYI, he played with Kubiak up in Minnesota.

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My god man, that is profound. Much to ponder here. That whole lemon/lemonade sh*t… Hmmm…

*cue strings and woodwinds playing soft strains of Kumbaya…

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I would say its complicated to tell what the majority of people think. I believe a lot of Saints fans want change and are not happy with this regime. The thing is, a lot of fans who are tired of this regime do not have the energy to contribute on a message board. If you look on the message boards, Derek Carr has a lot of support from some, but in the real games in the dome he did get openly booed by the Saints crowd. So fans who want big changes and don't believe in the direction Mickey Loomis has committed the team to are a large group of fans, enough to take over the dome. And that is even after the fact that just like many disgruntled fans don't have the energy to contribute on the message boards, many also don't want to spend time and money attending games without more to be excited about. So the crowds that openly booed Derek Carr in the dome were probably disproportionately made up of positive pro-Carr, pro-DA, pro-Loomis fans, yet they still booed. When you get into the lowest effort forms of feedback like commenting on a facebook post about the Saints, you see a lot of fans wanting change, who maybe have not seen enough from the franchise the past few years to want to engage on message boards or attend games until there is something to be excited about. Fans who want change are not some small minority, there are many many of us. Whether thats 60% or 40% would cost a lot of money to estimate.