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Speaking of negativity ... I definitely see Carr as better than Russell Wilson, as well.

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This is so true. The talent pool in the NFL is getting shallower by the year at certain positions.

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If the options are:

A. Derek Carr

B. Russell Wilson

C. DeShaun Watson

Then much like Hepatitis, I would rather have A than B or C.

But to use this analogy I had to look up which Hepatitis is the least bad, and I would really rather have none of the above.

Unfortunately while Hepatitis A is the most transmissible according to my google search, Carr's contract makes him untradable unless we kick in a 1st round pick.

It is what it is with Carr. His contract is guaranteed so we have to see what we have. But I am not impressed with a season where he boosted his numbers against weak competition and the best opposing QBs he could beat were Mayfield, Tannehill, Minshew, and Young. But I think we need to approach the 2025 salary cap with the goal of having an offramp after Year 2 of the contract, just like the Broncos did with Wilson, and like the Browns wish they could with Watson.

I hope the Falcons end up with Russ Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, or perhaps Baker Mayfield, ie someone I dont think has much upside. But I don't think Carr has much upside either, I think he is what he is, I hope he proves me wrong but I am not will to go 'all in' to bet on him, I want the option of an offramp.

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Carr was never signed as a stop gap. He was signed as our QB for the foreseeable future. Why is there even a consideration of a trade? Thank God you aren't anywhere close to making our decisions. :rolleyes:

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Because Derek Carr is mediocre and everyone in the world but you and our front office know it. While slightly better than present day Russell Wilson, he is absolutely being compared to him for a reason, and even you brought up the comparison because at some level you know its valid.

You can want Derek Carr to be a long term solution. The Saints can sign him as one. But that probably won't make him one, unless what you want long term is mediocrity. I continue to believe that Drew Bledsoe's tenure with the Bill is a reasonable comp.

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Believe whatever you want in your cyber world. There is nothing that will ever satisfy you as long as your personal obsession Loomis is in charge. That, my friend, is called a personal problem.

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If Loomis completely changed virtually all of the philosophies that have dictated his decisions for the past decade or so that would also satisfy me. Occasionally I see glimmers of hope, like when you posted that Cam Jordan's restructure was much smaller than expected, which turned out to be a typo and you were equally supportive of the decision when it turned out to be another max restructure.

It's nothing personal with me and Loomis. I just disagree with 95% of his decisions and don't enjoy what I see as my team being led in absolutely the wrong direction, squandering the finals years of Brees career, driving away Sean Payton, and settling into mediocrity without Brees and Payton while assembling the oldest team in the league with the least cap space, youth, and draft picks to have upside to improve. Imagine if you had very clear thoughts on what decisions you thought the Saints should make and they did the opposite 95% of the time. I imagine you might express displeasure with the person making those decisions, if you had any independent mind of your own.

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As evidenced by Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, and DeShaun Watson. Teams created cap space but did not find a quality player. They found a player another team discarded for non-financial reasons.

But it is easier to retain your own quality players such as Hendrickson, Williams, Elliss, Johnson, and Armstead if you have cap space.

In general I am not a big fan of high dollar free agents. It's best to retain your own when they are young, healthy, and productive but be able to move on when they are old, beat up, and declining.

It's best to replace aging/injured players internally which means needing a lot of draft picks, which means trading down more than trading up, trading current year picks at a premium more than trading future picks as a discount, and trading aging veterans for draft picks not draft picks for aging veterans. There can be times it makes sense to poach another teams player coming off their rookie contract at a good value in free agency, like Keenan Lewis who did not have a spot to start much on his first team or Demario Davis who was not the best fit on his first team. But in general the draft is the answer not free agency. And to build and retain through the draft you need more draft picks not less.

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It’s nothing personal with most Saints Fans. But most of us take not even winning a pathetic division personally.

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I don’t agree with Carr being better. If anything they’re even, but Russ has better mobility and graded out better than Carr last year.

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Per PFF:

Derek Carr
2023: 77.2
2022:66.6
Average 22-23: 71.9

Russell Wilson
2023: 77.5
2022: 66.2
Average 22-23: 71.85

So over the past two years on average Carr has been 0.07% better.

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None of the above is the answer. Let's play the young kid and see what he's got. Will Jameis wind up as a Bronco I wonder? Taysom also? This year?

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Consider the play calling last year. ;)

Carr had Carmichael. Russ had Payton.

I honestly think that Pete could make Tom Brady look more like Marsha Brady.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/H5x6O...=200w.gif&ct=g https://i.gifer.com/5kmQ.gif

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After seeing that Jags game live I came away feeling like it was 65% playcalling and 35% Carr not diagnosing things pre-snap, progressing through his reads, and finding the open man. I saw people running wide open all night. There’s a one on one mismatch on almost every play and he doesn’t see it often enough for my liking. I can remember screaming “there’s only one safety back, take a shot deep” and he FINALLY hit MT for that TD pass. Things like that were there all season and he just didn’t take the shot. I really have no optimism for Carr, but you know I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he balls next year.

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And we still got Dennis Allen… and Derek Carr. There will be pain.

Wait… You actually took the time to find a Tom Brady gif and a Marsha Brady gif to help prove a point? Wow.

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That's horrid.

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I wouldn't mind Poyer.

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Begs to question... why are fans supporting in the manner they are for what is fast becoming flag football? How would Dick Butkus survive in today's NFL?

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Tre White getting released by Bills, post June 1 cut I think... -should we?

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When was the last time TW played a full season of football?

I’d pass.

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They are supporting it in record numbers because it is still the most entertaining sport to follow and watch in the world. The star power is one of the major reasons why it is so successful. The league knows this and knows that injuries to those stars could hurt the brand. Thus all of the moves to make the game safer.

Butkus would have thrived and made 50 times what he made when he played back in the '60s and early '70s. He would have likely been able to double the length of his career had he played today.

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Yet another stud safety hits the open market.

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We can't afford him. Rinse and repeat.:mad:

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Come on now, Sinner. It is kind of funny! :roflmao:

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The loser doesn't get humor, Rugs. Sad life. :D

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I get “humor”. Humor is watching you puff too much ayahuasca before your Xanax wears off, and predicting that we would win the Super Bowl for the past two seasons. I also get “pathetic”, which is watching a grown ass man take the time to play with Marsha Brady gifs, to try to prove a point to someone he has set to “IGNORE”.

There will be much more humor and pathetic next season. I am sure.

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I am not convinced that Pete Carmichael was the main problem at all. He was effective under Payton, but not under Allen. I think it was smart to make a change and I am guardedly optimistic for a degree of improvement but I am not sure it will solve all our problems. It could be that a lot of offensive coordinators are not effective under weak head coaches like Dennis Allen who fail to establish leadership and accountability from the start and weak general managers who put us in a position that we can't afford to cut dead weight without years of extensions to wind down their dead cap hits.

It's possible that Dennis Allen and Mickey Loomis without Sean Payton could make Tom Brady look like Marsha Brady.

Klink Kubiak could not save Russell Wilson and the Broncos offense under a weak head coach in Nathaniel Hackett in Denver in 2022. We was effective under stronger head coaches in SF and Minnesota with better QBs. Now he has to work with Dennis Allen and Derek Carr. After 2023, any change is better than none, but it just wouldn't be that surprising to me if Carr and the Saints offense struggle in 2024 exactly how they did in 2023.

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If by should we, you mean sign him, no.

If by should we, you mean cut/trade fellow 2017 1st round pick former pro bowl now injury ridden CB Marshon Lattimore in a parallel move to the Bills releasing his draft twin White, then yes. Neither is worth the ~$20 million salary they are slated to earn and even if the dead cap to cut or trade or is hard to stomach in the first year, in the long term its the right thing to do in order to avoid overpaying year after year and kicking the can.

Although actually, if we really insist on having veteran CB who will probably get injured paired with Taylor and Adebo, it might be more financially responsible to trade or cut Lattimore and his ~$20 million compensation, eat the dead cap hit, and sign White for $5 million on a year to year basis.

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Of course you aren't because it doesn't fit your obsessed agenda. Go figure.

:rolleyes:

Only read the first sentence. The rest was likely the same ol' crap spewing.

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Supply and demand dictates the market value for safeties is looking to be way down.

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This ^^^ from the grown ass man who plays with crap-spewing cow memes and Marsha Brady gifs…

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Dude talks all that sh!t about blocking members but can’t help himself with Bako….and keeps posting the same type of belittling responses over and over. Talk about obsession…
Glad you can call him a grown ass man because I can’t bring myself to that

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Emphasis is on “ass”.

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The Safety market is volatile and has crashed before. I can't remember the exact names but I feel like something like this happened about 5 years ago where the Saints rushed to sign some garbage safety from Carolina or Cincinnati who barely played for fairly good money on the first day or two of free agency and then as free agency continued a bunch of top safeties remained unsigned and the Steelers got an elite safety for dirt cheap.

All we can do is buy low - sell high. Not sure we have mastered that yet.

https://steelersdepot.com/2018/06/fr...aying-patient/

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Combo deal to save cap and he'll retire as a Saints.

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I like these suggestions.



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