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As soon as you finish mopping up the refurbished restrooms at the dome, take care of that troll chow you just spilled. Thanks.

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+1.

Improved EVERY YEAR ..

WR room just got crowded in Dallas. Kinda the same in MIA.

I like the signing.

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The Saints add another WR to the mix.

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What’s up with DJ Chark?

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As expected.

Good luck to him. He's going to a solid team with an increble defense.

Isaac Yiadom signs with the Niners

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Got me. I haven't even heard his name mentioned.

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PFF 2023

Marshon Lattimore 67.4
Isaac Yiadom 81.1

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Justin Fields being traded for a 2025 6th that could become a 4th. That would have been a deal worth doing. Well if you wanted a QB that could challenge the starter

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He couldn't cut it as a starter already. Why would you think he'd suddenly change? That's why he's being replaced.

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You’re making too much sense Lee.

Don’t we have like gazillion lower rd picks? Definitely could have made a move.

Carr has no threats behind him or guys to push him to the next level, we just bring in Petersen :rolleyes:

A lot of the successful franchises just aren’t afraid to make moves.

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I wouldn’t have minded sending a 5th for Fields. I’m not sure what direction this franchise is headed in though. I hate the outlook that the fans have right now, and I’m just as pessimistic as most everybody else. I’m hoping for brighter days.

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That's not the reason. It's all about the $$$$. Fields will cost $28 million for the next two years because someone is going to have to pick up his 5th year option.

If you're the Bears you reset the QB position with a chance of getting CJ Stroud in Williams. 4 years on a cheap rookie QB.

But Fields could not be around for the transition. The Bears were handcuffed and had to unload him. Pittsburgh could afford it because the Broncos are paying Wilson. And if after a year, they don't see what they want in Fields, they can cut him loose after paying a song this year.

We've seen it over and over again in both directions with QBs. QBs who don't fit with the team that drafted them but do well later (Goff, Mayfield). QBs who get the big money with their drafting teams then flame out (Wentz).

It's all a crap shoot. No one knows if Fields is a starting or a franchise QB. I would not be surprised after working with both Fields and Wilson in the offseason, that the Steelers decide to go into the season with Fields. The kid got dealt a crappy hand with the Bears. Having a running game, a decent offensive line, and a superior defense may unlock the flashes of talent we've seen the last 3 years.

SFIAH

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Perhaps so. And then there's this. A crap shoot for sure.

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I wonder if Gruden had any ture input here.

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Carr was also replaced because he could not cut it as a starter in Las Vegas. It's not a good thing for either of them. Carr is a bit better than Fields but competition would have helped.

I don't think Fields 5th year option will be picked up for $25 million. He has never played like he is worth $25 million a year. If a team had traded a 1st round pick for him maybe they would have forced themselves to pick it up, but no team was that dumb. The base case is a player who has played as many games as Fields is who he is, the exceptions are the exceptions. The Steelers are smart to pick him up because if they decline his 5th year option and he doesn't play enough snaps badly enough to prove he is a bust, some team may be willing to pay him $10 million (definitely not 25) and that will still net the Steelers more than they paid in a comp pick for 2025. The Steelers might end up with two 4th round comp picks for Wilson and Fields.

I think it would be good to have a backup who can challenge Carr. He performed his best last season after being booed and when there were calls to bench him. Some people perform best under pressure. I would look to bring in Stidham to light a fire under Carr.

Peterman may serve a purpose. I am not convinced that DA has given up on Taylor in the slot. With Peterman in camp, Taylor may have an opportunity to build confidence in the slot during training camp and restore fans confidence with countless interceptions in 1:1 drills off Peterman. How that will translate to real games remains to be seen.

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To be fair I do believe that the 142 games starting for the Raiders, which leads them for most starts in franchise history, qualifies Carr as cutting it for them as a starter. ;) He also leads the Raiders in career TD's, yards passing, completion percentage for QB's with more than seven starts, and lowest interception rate of any Raider starter in franchise history.

He is arguably the best QB in team history.

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The QB in Houston is the only recent Ohio St QB with any kind of success in recent memory. The rest are all forgettable. And don't count Big D Joe Burreau, he's an LSU QB forevermore. Let Fields take up someone else's roster.

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Put your crack pipe down and show some respect for Raider Nation, who wisely kicked Carr to the Black and Gold curb.

**** “Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.”

READ:

No. 5: Derek Carr (2014-2022)

Las Vegas Raiders Derek CarrBob Self/Florida Times-Union / USA TODAY NETWORK
Derek Carr stats (Raiders career): 35,222 passing yards, 217 passing touchdowns, 91.8 QB rating, 64.6% completion rate, 6 rushing touchdowns
Carr, who most recently served as the face of the franchise through its move to Las Vegas, brought needed stability to the quarterback position. He shattered franchise records and earned multiple Pro Bowl nods with the team. Carr’s best season came in 2016 when the Raiders went 12-4 but lost in the Wild Card round of the playoffs after Carr broke his leg in the season finale. Carr only appeared in one playoff game in nine seasons, a 26-19 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Related: Latest Las Vegas Raiders rumors, news

No. 4: Jim Plunkett (1979-86)

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Plunkett’s story is one of resilience and redemption. After being highly touted out of Stanford and a bust for the New England Patriots who drafted him, Plunkett found success and became a legend upon joining the Raiders. He led the Raiders to victory in two Super Bowls (XV and XVIII), and his ability to perform well under pressure became his trademark. Plunkett was also named Super Bowl XV MVP and still awaits his call to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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No. 3: Rich Gannon (1999-2004)

Las Vegas Raiders Rich Gannon SUPER BOWL XXXVIIMPS-USA TODAY Sports
Gannon breathed life into the Raiders during their early 2000s resurgence. His remarkable resurgence from being an NFL journeyman (Minnesota and Kansas City before the Raiders) to one of the league’s top players culminated in winning the NFL MVP in 2002. That same year, Gannon guided Oakland to Super Bowl XXXVII. His passing accuracy and keen football intelligence made him one of the most effective quarterbacks of his time. Gannon’s impressive streak of four Pro Bowl selections with the Raiders also underscores how well he played as a Raider and what his contribution mean to his team.

Related: NFL QB rankings

No 2: Daryle Lamonica (1967-1974)

Las Vegas Raiders Daryle LamonicaMalcolm Emmons-USA TODAY Sports
Dubbed “The Mad Bomber” due to his long-range passes, Lamonica was pivotal in establishing the Raiders as a dominant AFL and NFL powerhouse. Under his leadership, the team made its first appearance in a Super Bowl, and he claimed two AFL MVP titles along the way. Lamonica’s extraordinary arm strength and aggressive style of play were truly ahead of their time and helped revolutionize the quarterback position and solidify him as a prominent figure in pro football history.

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No 1: Ken Stabler (1970-79) – Best Raiders QB ever

Las Vegas Raiders Ken StablerLong Photography-USA TODAY Sports
Ken Stabler stats (Raiders’ career): 19,078 passing yards, 150 passing touchdowns, 69-26-1 record
Affectionately known as “Snake,” Stabler embodied everything Raider football stood for. He led the Raiders to their first Super Bowl win in 1977 and was renowned for his clutch performances and unshakeable composure. Stabler was crowned the NFL MVP in 1974 and earned Pro Bowl honors four times. His connection with the spirit of the Raiders was unparalleled, cementing his status as an iconic figure in the annals of Raiders history.

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Sounds like Fields called where he wanted to go. It wouldn't have mattered if we wanted to try to traded. For all we know we may have tried. I seriously doubt it, however.

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Lol 😂 Sinner

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Seriously. LMFAO

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Ken Stabler never gave us any of that magic.

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C'mon Smash ... the man was almost 40 years of age when he signed with New Orleans. Well, that's what my dad used to say. And man did he witness some bad Saints football.

Unfortunately he never got to see (passed away in 2003) Brees do his magic and hoist that Lombardi for the City of New Orleans :(.

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Carr could have cut it for the Raiders but unfortunately they adopted this silly motto a few decades earlier regarding a ‘Committment to Excellence” where a poor mans Matt Ryan won’t cut it. Lots of guys have crazy stats in this offensive era but if you believe those Romo and Prescott are the best QBs in Cowboys history, Winston is the best QB in Bucs history, and Matt Ryan is better than any QB the 49ers, Cowboys, Raiders, Giants, Chiefs, or Redskins with their combined loads of Super Bowls ever had.

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Maybe some feel the way about him that you do Cesar Ruiz.

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That's possible.

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How'd that turn out for the Raiders, huh? They've had four different QB's since deciding to move on from Carr and all four had worse passer ratings than Derek Carr with the Saints. By the way, Carr's passer rating was 10th among all starters in 2023. Imagine what he could do with a "real" OC designing and calling plays.

:bng:

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If Peterman is on this roster after the final cuts, Jake Haener was a wasted pick.

Peterman is horrible.

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A perennial clipboard holder. I think he only had a run of a few good games as a replacement that even put him on the map.

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Peterman was brought in to help train our DB's. Underrated move.

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Step away from the crack pipe…

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For 14 years you considered Pete Carmichael to be an offensive coordinator so good you predicted his team would go undefeated. Then he gets together with Derek Carr for one year, has what you consider to be the 10th best passing offense in the league (against really bad teams), and you believe Pete Carmichael was never a 'real OC' and Carr will be elite now that we have fixed the offensive line by hiring the passing game coordinator of a team that was much more successful than us at rushing? I hope Kubiak is an upgrade but honestly nobody knows. His 2022 Denver offense was worse than the Saints offense that year. He was an assistant in San Francisco. Carmichael was never a problem until Dennis Allen came in, and the wheels fell off when Dennis Allen brought in his hand picked QB, now Dennis Allen is bringing in his hand picked offensive assistant. Forgive me for not taking for granted Dennis Allen's great judgement of character. I think its honestly quite possible that Carmichael is a better OC than DA is a head coach or Derek Carr is a QB. Only one has a ring in such a role.

There need to be no excuses for DA and Carr this year. Carr can have the first quarter of week 1 to adjust to the new system and then he needs to earn his veteran money and produce. Rookie coaches and rookie QBs are out producing these guys. No more excuses!

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“I think its honestly quite possible that Carmichael is a better OC than DA is a head coach or Derek Carr is a QB. Only one has a ring in such a role.”

Quido, see ^^^ that right there? That’s it.