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Were you even in a Dome crowd this past season? I was there for every game but one. A small minority of people booed sparingly in one or two games And they caught crap from fans around them. You are so full of hate and crap, dude. :rolleyes:

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Your SAINTS are full of crap, and you shovel them your money to feed crap to you every time you drive 10 hours round trip to gobble it up. The majority of Saints Fans don’t share your masochistic culinary addiction. It’s not “hate”. It’s a logical, sensible, sane and passionate desire to see the SAINTS PUT A WINNING TEAM ON THE FIELD.

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9-8 is a tough one. Next year the NFC south looks so much better. I would say depending on our new OC and Carr's play. If those two work out well I would be more inclined to give another year. If they mix like oil and water, it is time for everyone to kick rocks.

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If Kirk Cousins returns to form, our division is much tougher. If Kirk Cousins suffers setbacks and is never the same, our division could actually be easier than in 2023 and I think that given Cousins age and injury there is an about 25% chance of that happening. In the very realistic scenario B where Kirk Cousins is Washington Donovan McNabb, I could see the Falcons motivation completely deflating, the locker room falling apart, Raheem Morris a proven loser head coach losing any confidence of a turnaround he once had, and the Falcons becoming one of the worst teams in the league, losing 13+ games. On the other hand if Cousins is back 100% and lights a fire under Atlanta's roster they could win 13 games.

If I had to guess, Mayfield will get a little worse now that he got paid and Evans is a year older, and the Panthers will still probably be bad but its virtually impossible for Young to get worse without being benched for Dalton, while he could get much better. Trading Burns could make them worse, but again there is not much worse to get and we already beat them twice. If Cousins is still Cousins our division will be harder next year. If Cousins is Washington McNabb, our division may be even easier, and with the harder outside schedule 8-9 games might win it. But then the champ will struggle in the playoffs.

My standard for meaningful success remains a playoff win and non-embarrassment if the second playoff game is a loss. Of course if a team kept doing that every year and never did more it would be a failure but that would make it worth giving it another year for each year we can pull it off.

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Welcome Sir! From what I read this guy can play guard or tackle and will be depth at the worst. Still would like to see them take a tackle in the first round.

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Personally I'd love for the new offensive staff to bring Penning up to par. I wouldn't mind if we do take a tackle though. I always trust their judgement better than any of ours. They do have far greater insight. ;)

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Same mismanagement, different pawns. Their insight couldn’t win the NFC SOUTH DIVISION this past season. Our next season is going to be a mess, and you’ll be chalking it up to “making adjustments during our indefinite REBUILD phase”.
Put the crack pipe down.

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I live 1900 miles away and have an 8 year old kid who is in school most of the football season with grandparents in 2 other states besides Louisiana, so its hard to make it to games these days. We all do what we can. I attended the vast majority of games for over a decade and even flew across the country for a couple games a year when I was father away. I attended the Super Bowl, the No Call game, and the game where Brees broke the passing record. Plus, do I really want to pay, not just $200 or whatever for a ticket, but another $500 for a flight, to watch DA and Carr try to shock the world by rising to 1-1 against Baker Mayfield or surviving an epic clash with Gardner Minshew? Unless I am in town anyway, thats a hard sell to watch the greatest show on chopping wood.

I did attend the preseason game against the Chargers last season. I would have liked to attend the regular season game against the Rams but a weeknight game just before Christmas was difficult timing. The game started at 515PM PST so I would have had to take time off work to get into the stadium on time. I planned to go if the team was on a role but 11 days before the game the Saints were 5-7 and when they made it back to 7-7 four days before the game, it was a little late to request time off work.

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“to watch DA and Carr try to shock the world by rising to 1-1 against Baker Mayfield or surviving an epic clash with Gardner Minshew?”

You’d have to add a whole lotta crack and Xanax to your tab, in order for that to even begin to be fun…

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So, in other words, you have no real knowledge of what the Superdome's actual reactions were during games this season, correct?

As someone that was actually there I can tell you that Carmichael was highly criticized by the fans in attendance, far more so than the isolated booing from the handful of drunk idiots.

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Bako, what Quid Kumbaya is trying to tell you, is if you were sitting with him puffing the same peace pipe, it would have appeared like we won our pathetic division, when we actually didn’t.

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Looks like Saints re-sign S Johnathan Abram.

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Been wanting this to happen for years. Bring all the LSU boys home.

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No thanks. The Saints don't have a strong enough leader in Dennis Allen to handle a diva Wide Receiver as evidenced by the Thomas departure. Beckham is similar to Antonio Brown and he'd likely blow this whole team up (which a few of our posters want).

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I'd be shocked if the Saints are even remotely interested in OBJ.

Especially after all of the Mike Thomas drama.

Go draft another WR.

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Me sayin “We need a new Head Coach” for two years, as if it actually means something, and so many on here shrug their shoulders or say they’re tired of hearing it. No matter how y’all stack it up, there will be pain next season.

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You say that same thing almost every day on this site, of course posters tire from it. You and Guido are essentially the same person, one is just the mirrored reflection of the other.

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I haven’t seen anything about OBJ causing any issues since he left Cleveland. He was fine in LA. Helped them win a Super Bowl. Was on his way to being MVP of that game. Had no issues in Baltimore either. And hey, maybe if he gets a little ramped up it’ll help run Allen out of here. OBJ isn’t the same level of crazy as AB. You gotta follow AB on Twitter. Bruh is WILDIN! 😂

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No joke, I pity Antonio Brown. No amount of money is worth losing your mind.

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The Saints do not need to get older and more injury prone with OBJ, plus he probably expects a lot of money based on name recognition and being overpaid by the Ravens.

If we want to add another receiver. Corey Davis is supposed to be a very good blocker, should cost less, isn't quite as old and hasn't had quite as bad injuries, and is generally good for the 500-ish yards OBJ produced with the Ravens.

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Id take a flyer on Michael Gallup.

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I think we can get him for like $5 million or so and he’d carry more gravity on the field than Davis. This is a very deep WR draft though. OBJ isn’t needed, but I like the idea of him joining his hometown team. Good for morale like the Badger.

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I just don't know if orchestrating a feel-good nostalgic greatest-hits reunion tour is how championships are won. Jimmy Graham carried gravity. Jarvis Landry carried gravity. Foster Moreau carried gravity. Bringing back Mark Ingram after his stint with the Ravens and Malcolm Jenkins after his stint with the Eagles carried gravity. We have been carrying a lot of gravity and levitating around .500 serving feel good comfort to the masses.

Meanwhile if you save a roster spot for some young kid who doesn't carry any gravity at all, maybe they are the next Brock Purdy, Rasheed Shaheed, AT Perry, Cooper Kupp, Puka Nakau, Kirk Cousins, etc. If we bring in a veteran I would rather they be a lunch pail do your job reliable blocker, not a big name past diva who is past their prime. The Saints have no lack of beloved veterans with long associations with the team or state who are passed their prime. We may lead the NFL in that category by a wide margin. I just don't see doubling down as the right move.

Also I don't see him as a great fit. We are loaded with edge deep threats at receiver already. We need blocking, size, and over the middle. To my knowledge OBJ is not particularly known as a blocker, is undersized, and although he can go over the middle, going over the middle would subject him to greater injury risk from big hits.

Hunter Renfrow is a similar option but in that case it gets even weirder with the Raider-Carr nostalgia and chemistry. He is more of a dedicated slot receiver. I just would rather save a spot for young players with upside and take risks to grow not settle for .500 nostalgia. If either player wants to come to camp without guaranteed money and just increase competition, that could be ok, more competition is always good.

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If the Saints make any other moves in Free agency, I'd take a flyer on former 2nd rounder (G) Dalton Risner.
If he doesn't work out, no biggie didn't cost a lot. If he plays well, super ... he is a cheap starter. Doesn't miss work on Sundays. Reliable player.

Carrmax needs all of the protection he can get.

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For anyone wanting to trade Lattimore thinking we'll get something of value ...

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I’ll say it until it no longer needs to be said. “We need a new Head Coach” and
“We need a new REAL Quarterback”.

Quido sings “Kumbaya” and says, “Winning championships is not the goal”.

AINT no mirror there at all.

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I agree that we should not expect much value in return for trading Lattimore. Even though his age sounds young, he has a lot of wear on the tires for an NFL cornerback, is showing signs of reduced performance, and has only played half the games the last two years. Really he was only super elite his rookie year and since then he has a habit of completely shutting down Mike Evans or Julio Jones so that he can relax the next week and give up decent yardage to some random receiver, so its important to remember he is a borderline pro bowler who has not made the pro bowl the last two seasons, not a perennial all pro like some homers make him out to be.

The reason to potentially trade Lattimore even if you don't get much in return, is that his $18 million a year salaries for 2025 and 2026 do not look to be a very good value as his quality and quantity of play decrease, and Adebo and Taylor have more youth, upside, and durability. While trading him would create a big cap hit immediately, it would free up a lot of money down the road that could be used to retain existing players or to add new players at positions where we dont have two young projected starters with high upside.

That said, a players trade value is not solely based on their ability, its also based on cost. If Lattimore is being offered for trade with an $18 million salary for the upcoming season his value is very low. But if the Saints have just restructured Lattimore's contract, converted $17 million to a signing bonus that will stick on the Saints books even if he is traded, and a team has the ability to acquire Lattimore for $1 million for a year, regardless of exorbitant costs for future years where he would be cut if he did not take a pay cut, then Lattimore could be worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick more because its a cap mechanism to basically trade money for a draft pick knowing Lattimore is surely worth more than $1 million and could offer win-now value.

Knowing that Ram, Mathieu, and Davis took pay cuts, its reasonable to wonder if other players on the team were presented with pay cuts and refused. Lattimore is not worth $18 million a year playing 50% of games at his age and not playing at the most elite level when healthy. Its possible the Saints are discussing a pay cut. The only way any players will ever take pay cuts that make sense for the Saints if sometimes when they don't they get cut or they are traded to a team that views them as a 1 year rental and presents the risk of learning a new system. So we have to cut or trade some players whose salaries no longer make sense, unless we want to overpay everyone.

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Yea, AB is certified that’s for sure. Players like Thomas, OBJ, Moss and Owens just get caught up in drama. Thomas is kind of a victim of our time and the existence of social media. AB is on a whole new level.
Also, could yall imagine what Terrel Owens would have been like on Twitter? That would have been gold.

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I wish we would have got to see it. Ocho too. 😂

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Chandler Jones is on ABs level.

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Saints free agency: Experts hand out grades for New Orleans

USA Today: C-

USA Today’s Nate Davis was unimpressed by the Saints’ moves, though he noted a more conservative approach to free agency was probably necessary:

Aside from a few minor pickups (LB Willie Gay, WR Cedrick Wilson Jr., QB2 Nathan Peterman) before landing DE Chase Young on a one-year, $13 million offer this week, they’ve pretty much sat on the sideline while restructuring contracts throughout the roster as they do yearly. A more measured approach was going to be needed here eventually.

Pro Football Focus: B

Pro Football Focus’ Brad Spielberger took a brighter view of the Saints’ additions and losses, crediting them for finding good value on the free agent market while getting younger at key positions:

With a lot of mid-tier and/or specific role linebackers doing well so far through the first day and a half of free agency, this is a good value for Gay. New Orleans gets a solid third linebacker to pair with Demario Davis and Pete Werner.

Full article

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USA Today. The "news" paper for 6th graders.

Not the be all end all but at least PFF takes an in-depth look using analytics-based metrics.

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Additions:

Cedrick Wilson, WR
Stanley Morgan, WR
Nathan Peterman, QB
Willie Gay, LB
Chase Young, DE

Subtractions:

Lonnie Johnson Jr. (Texans)
Zack Baun (Eagles)
Jameis Winston (Browns)
Malcolm Roach (Broncos)
Isaac Yiadom (49ers)

Thoughts so far…

We didn’t lose any starters outside of the huge possibility of Andrus Peat moving on. Many of us have been calling for that to happen anyway. We improved our defense by adding speed and youth at the 1st and 2nd level. I expect to continue this trend in the draft. Cedric Wilson will serve as a good WR4 behind Perry, Olave, and Shaheed. WR is being viewed as a need by the media, but I don’t think they recognize what Perry has the potential to become. I give the the offseason so far a B-. We cut some fat. We added some talented players on defense. We upgraded at OC. I still have my concerns, but it’s been a typical Saints offseason. Measured and boring with a splash here and there.

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Agree with your summation.

All eyes on the draft and expect Peat to be signed (possibly here) after the dust settles.

However, D line is where I'd like to see us draft or sign FA players.

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Except for Yiadom... he was good depth.

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