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Guess they believe in Foskey

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Neaux Meaux Kamara ... it'd been cool to have two Kamara's on the roster.

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It'll be interesting to see if our UDFA Latu makes a bigger impact than Mo Kamara

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I think the Saints have moved on from Andrus.

They’re bringing in every street tackle NOT named Peat.

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It’s wild seeing people actually clamor for Peat. lol.

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Via Nick Underhill

Mickey Loomis on Sirius XM: “I'm not actively trying to trade Marshon. Marshon is such a good player. He's an elite corner.”

He added if they get an offer they can’t refuse, all players are available.



So I'm not trying to trade him, but I'll tell everyone he I'd available.

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His number has already been reassigned to the vaunted rookie. :bng:

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A blockbuster offer for Lattimore would be TWO 7th round picks. He is a $14 million declining corner who is at this point only decent, has missed half the last two seasons, and is likely to decline more. There is not value there unless the Saints pay some of his salary, and then the value is in how much they pay.

I have more hope for Nick Lalos than Foskey. Draft investment was the only reason Foskey made the team over Lalos last year but he didnt do anything with the opportunity.

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Even if Lattimore were a declining corner he's still better than any CB to wear the Fleur.
A couple of injuries, bad as they might've been, doesn't mean Marshon is ready to hang up the cleats.

Regarding Lalos, I agree. After he went ham in a preseaon game last year I wanted to see him on the field more. The coaches obviously see something I don't.

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Lattimore's injuries have been very unlucky ones, especially the spleen one, and I wouldn't count those againts him going forward.

Underhill and Triplett both were going on and on last training camp how Lattimore was far and away the best player out of the whole roster through camp, so why would you want to get rid of someone like that?!

I get that if the relationship between the player and the staff/FO has gotten too bad to continue - you try to find a way to move forward, but there's really no hard evidence of that having happened.

Having too many playmakers to field at once on the backfield isn't really a problem, since injuries do happen and you need quality guys to step up in those circumstances.

I remember not too long ago, before Lattimore was picked, the Saints went into a season with Breaux and Moore as their starting outside corners, so I'm very happy to have all these quality guys competing for starting spots now.

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Saw him as potentially the best option in a sea of unknowns. Clearly the new staff has other plans.

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Just an FYI, Peat has signed with the Raiders.

Source

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I wish him better luck with his Dad's team than he had in NOLA.

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Las Vegas Breakfast Tacos fixing to takeover for Popeyes Sammiches.

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Them all-you-can-eat buffets all round town about to suffer !

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Had it not been for all the injuries Peat would have been looked on more favorability during his time in Saints nation. He was incredibly athletic for an OLmen and quite versatile. He just couldn't stay on the field and that is his biggest knock because he is a very good OLmen.

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In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been a decent left tackle. He can’t play right tackle because he cant adjust to the right side and is inconsistent as a guard because of his lanky build. So the plan was to play him out of position but occasionally rotate him to his true position just to keep him guessing. At left tackle last year he was decent, but if he is asked to play every position he will get hurt. At least he can play one more position than Penning though.

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Bump

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Saints sign OL Lukas Patrick

7 year vet - played for Bears (started in 15 last year) & Packers.

Keep an eye on him. This o line could look different in 2024.

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Peat's salary was not sabotaged, however.

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May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?

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Heard we signed Lucas Patrick to the O Line.

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-agre...020632134.html

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Perhaps I should say he was ‘set up to fail.’ He was a top left tackle prospect drafted #13 overall and the Saints invested all that in him, then expected him to play out of position at a less valuable position for no good reason, because they already had a left tackle and Mickey Loomis couldnt trafe back because its against his religion. But at the same time as forcing a top prospect to play out of position, the saints expected him to occasionally jump into his true position. I get it when some later pick whose ability is doubted is asked to change position, but if a player goes #13 overall the team that takes them should let them either play their natural position or a more valuable position. You shouldnt pick a player #13 overall and then force them to switch to a less valuable position and become a utility player who mops up for whatever position someone else is injured. It destroyed his confidence and development.

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Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently?

Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

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Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

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Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

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This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion.

Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

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The average fan doesn't pay the salaries. Billionaire owners pay the salaries with less than half the revenues they receive from mostly broadcasting rights. After limited taxes they pocket the rest. Players deserve every last penny they can get. They are the ones putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment and billions into the pockets of the owners. One could rightly argue that they are vastly underpaid. I honestly can't understand why any fan would have a reason to begrudge what any player gets paid any more than what any other person would begrudge whatever those of us are paid. It's none of their business as far as I can see, just as it's not really our business what the players get paid. At least that's the way I see it.

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And, yes, ticket prices keep increasing but that has nothing to do with what players are getting paid. It continues to increase because we as fans are willing to pay more, not because it's needed for player compensation. That comes from the skyrocketing broadcast rights. More and more broadcast entities are getting into the fray wanting a piece of the live audiences. The bidding will continue to drive up the revenues even if tickets were free.

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You are correct... but for this discussion of the previous point, your point is irrelevant. A fan is entitled to have his/her viewpoint, regardless of what the owners make, players make, etc... Good for Peat to have earned what he earned, but his was not a compensation commensurate with his pears that played at a higher level. No one is taking about Willie Roaf or Jarhi Evans in the same light, for example. Peat was a turnstile for much of his career as a Saint, less so last year, but still a turnstile nonetheless, an expensive one. But he got his.

Good for Brees to have earned what he earned too. But comparing Brees and Brady and their salaries showed a difference in self sacrifice in terms of compensation of their close teammates. This is a different discussion also for the purpose again of the previous point.

NBA players are overpaid too, and they continually violate and are allowed to violate the rules of the game. So many players walk, hand palm, and other non-called penalties. I mean three or more steps to a dunk or a pass takes away from the enjoyment. And it's no longer basketball if you can take five steps or palm the ball to a dunk or layup. Same goes for the NFL when players are allowed to OPI/DPI sans consequences, as an example. And it could be argued they put their bodies less at risk today in light of how the rules are crafted, and how the equipment has given them the overconfidence to hurl themselves during plays, thereby having fans say they deserve everything they can get. NFL is less fun today than yesteryear's version. I would argue yesteryear's players deserved more than what they were compensated. Do you remember Brees' first contract as a Saint? Compare that to today's QB contracts. It's gross what some of these overpaid QBs are. Cousins with the FailClowns. LOLZ. NBA and NFL aren't individual sports like tennis or golf where those athletes truly deserve what they earn. Sometimes one could say the same about baseball if referencing a shutout pitcher of a crazy good homerun hitter. Relying on a teammate to perform to elicit a team breaking contract is what we've seen. Brees made his OL appear much better then they deserved, Same goes for Mahomes and Brady. Messi in a team sport like soccer can put a team on his back with his crazy good accuracy and speed. Soccer is almost the one sport combining great individual skill like in golf and tennis yet with teammates.

On a whole different discussion, one could also argue that gambling interests have now made the game closer to a WWE product. So those said same bloated salaries for a now tainted game take away from the game, the same way we're now witnessing the slow but now accelerated demise of college football with the runaway unregulated NIL system. Yes gambling is in there too. We're witnessing players not getting developed or not getting better by hopping in the portal for a better payday. Are those players that jumped in to Colorado NIL any better off today than players coming out of Bama or GA? We'll see this year, IMHO, the first wave of NIL era players in the NFL fail flat on their face, all for having got paid with NIL in college. Good for them to have gotten that NIL deal, but they better not spend/waste it.

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As a capitalist I believe in supply and demand. Rarely is supply and demand as straightforward as with NFL ticket prices. You can watch supply and demand live on TV all season. If there are lots of empty seats, supply exceeds demand at the present price and the price must fall to increase demand to meet supply. If all the stadiums are full and fans are tailgating outside the stadium hoping to get an extra ticket and tickets are selling above market price on stubhub, demand exceeds supply and ticket prices are likely to rise. Supply and demand sets the prices, capital and labor share the profits, all of this is very simple and exactly how its supposed to work and if you don't like, it you don't like free markets. If you want ticket prices to go down either we need like 40 teams playing 25 game seasons in 150,000 seat stadiums to increase supply, or you need people to stop wanting to attend live games, which perhaps could happen through the next generation that prefers to experience life through their phones. If there was a severe lack of interest in attending games, tickets might before free, just to fill seats that the TV audience likes to see full in the background, like a taping of a game show. If nobody wanted to attend even for free, people could be paid to attend, like a struggling politicians televised rally. But right now there is immense demand to attend live NFL games, and that results in increasing prices, because that is how a free market.

As to individual players being overpaid in terms of their teams share of the salary cap, that just reflects uncertainty and imperfect decision making in the context of a free market. Oil companies drill some wells that make enough oil to pay for 5 wells, and others that make no oil at all, because of uncertainty and imperfect decision making. Hollywood studios make some movies that have giant profits and others that lose money. Some very expensive horses with impressive pedigrees never win a race. Football is a similar business. The Saints overpaid for Peat in the draft based on his ability to play Left Tackle that increased the cost to draft him, then converted him to Right Tackle that increased the risk of his being a bust, then converted him to Left Guard where he had mixed results, then bet on a big contract that those mixed results were growing pains and they were brilliant to realized that this Left Tackle turned Right Tackle turned Left Guard was about to become a great Left Guard when he strung together a few good games, and shockingly through uncertainty and imperfect decision making that did not come to pass. Meanwhile some other players were bargains for the Saints and for other teams.

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Totally agree. In other words, obsessing over what individual players get paid is a waste of time and energy. Searching for perceived inequities will always be easily found.

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I wonder if he plays the run well? Which incidentally, I feel like our second biggest need is finding a run stuffing DT after we find more O linemen to upgrade the protection.

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How many more offensive linemen do we need to find?

OFFENSE

LT	75	Fuaga, Taliese 24/1	70	Penning, Trevor 22/1	72	Ezirim, Josiah 24/7
LG	74	Udoh, Olisaemeka U/Min	66	Lemieux, Shane U/NYG	68	Evans II, Mark CF23	60	Hergel, Kyle CF24
C	78	McCoy, Erik 19/2	62	PATRICK, LUCAS U/Chi	61	Haynesworth, Sincere CF24
RG	51	Ruiz, Cesar 20/1	64	Saldiveri, Nick 23/4	63	Nouili, Nouri CF24
RT	71	RAMCZYK, RYAN 17/1	67	Young, Landon 21/6	77	Herron, Justin SF24