Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion

03-01-2024, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why not bring back Morstead?

https://twitter.com/thomasmorstead/s...22370519928920

Considering how much we’ll be punting, and since “winning championships is not the goal”, yeah why not?

The Dude · 03-02-2024, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Quido, it’s a game.

1. The whole objective is to WIN the game. To WIN IT ALL.
2. This team and organization is consistently FAILING to achieve that objective.
3. The fans are seeing NO SIGNS OF ANY RADICAL CHANGES to the strategy.
4. The fans (customers) have all the power to DEMAND BETTER.

You have every right to enjoy mediocrity, and to keep buying the merch, and to keep driving 10 hours round trip to proudly cheer on a sub-standard product.

We have every right to vent our misery with what promises to remain sub-standard for as long as lovely lady Gayle is alive, and beyond.

This forum is not just a place to masturbate over someone making the Pro Bowl, who hasn’t even gotten into the “PLAYOFFS?!?!?” It’s a place where we can exchange our points of view about a team that has all the potential in the world to WIN IT ALL, and yet, is being run into a swamp of irrelevance.

It’s just a game. As soon as many of us “log off”, we have lives outside of this multi-million dollar failing “entertainment” enterprise.

He doesn't know about logging off because he never has. He just sits hitting the refresh button until he sees a response worth berating someone over. If he doesn't find one after about 5 minutes he just responds to himself multiple times.
You will know on the rare occasion when he logs off because it’ll be preceded by weeks of bragging about some cheap ass cruise he's about to take.

Sinner · 03-02-2024, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He doesn't know about logging off because he never has. He just sits hitting the refresh button until he sees a response worth berating someone over. If he doesn't find one after about 5 minutes he just responds to himself multiple times.
You will know on the rare occasion when he logs off because it’ll be preceded by weeks of bragging about some cheap ass cruise he's about to take.

Between that and hitting the UN-IGNORE button, and spray painting his tutu and pom poms black and gold, he must be a busy man.

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2024, 04:55 PM

Klint Kubiak loves his tight ends and if Brock Bowers is there at 14 we should grab him. If not, there should be some good tackles left on the board. We need to prepare for Ram's retirement and/or Penning's limitations. Right now, I have zero confidence in our tackles.

WhoDat!656 · 03-03-2024, 05:03 AM

3 Potential Wide Receiver Free Agents For the Saints to Target

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...2c1f24c&ei=193

SmashMouth · 03-03-2024, 05:22 PM

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ts-salary-cap/

lee909 · 03-03-2024, 06:36 PM

Kendrick Bourne
A soon to be 29 year old coming off a ACL injury. 6 years in the league and 20 starts. No thanks

Tyler Boyd got a lot on wear on him, turns 30 this year.
His salary will be far higher than you want to pay on a short term player

Jennings is the one of them 3.

Don't sign old players
Especially on back loaded deals

lee909 · 03-03-2024, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Klint Kubiak loves his tight ends and if Brock Bowers is there at 14 we should grab him. If not, there should be some good tackles left on the board. We need to prepare for Ram's retirement and/or Penning's limitations. Right now, I have zero confidence in our tackles.

Would be stupid to go TE imho. No point in offensive weapons if you can't keep tne QB off his backside.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2024, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ts-salary-cap/

The article doesn't match the title. The article talks about how his contract isn't as bad as some other blogger rated it.

BakoSaint · 03-04-2024, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The article doesn't match the title. The article talks about how his contract isn't as bad as some other blogger rated it.

His contract is not the worst part. Its the team that gave him the contract, what his contract means for us, with our cap situation. If any other team had given him the contract they could pull the rip cord and escape it before paying him $40 million 2025 or $50 million in 2026. The $50 million in 2026 was even discussed as not being real, effectively a void year, looking at the modest cost to bail on the deal at that point, which would be leverage to renegotiate at a more reasonable number if it was working out. But with the way the Saints manage the salary cap starting every year $100 million over the cap and restructuring every deal, we can't afford the dead cap that comes with pulling the rip cord on a deal this big, because that modest sum to get out of the deal if needed increases with every restructure. For any other team, Carr's contract would be a roll of the dice that is done in 2 years if it fails. For the Saints, its ride or die for the long term on Carr being elite, and that is what makes it a disaster. DeShaun Watson's deal is fully guaranteed, making it a disaster. The truth is that Derek Carr's deal is really fully guaranteed too, not because the language of the contract prevents Carr from ever being cut, but because the the state of the Saints salary cap and the way they manage it prevents him from ever being cut. But at least Watson's contract expires and the Browns will not be inquiring about an extension. With Carr, an extension in 2027 is highly probable to avoid what will be a $60 million or so dead cap hit at the time if he is not extended just after restructuring his 2025 $50 million salary to kick the can on another $40 million of it.

03-01-2024, 02:39 PM	#141
Threaded by Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,874 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why not bring back Morstead? https://twitter.com/thomasmorstead/s...22370519928920 Considering how much we’ll be punting, and since “winning championships is not the goal”, yeah why not? SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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03-02-2024, 04:36 PM	#142
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by Sinner Quido, it’s a game. 1. The whole objective is to WIN the game. To WIN IT ALL. 2. This team and organization is consistently FAILING to achieve that objective. 3. The fans are seeing NO SIGNS OF ANY RADICAL CHANGES to the strategy. 4. The fans (customers) have all the power to DEMAND BETTER. You have every right to enjoy mediocrity, and to keep buying the merch, and to keep driving 10 hours round trip to proudly cheer on a sub-standard product. We have every right to vent our misery with what promises to remain sub-standard for as long as lovely lady Gayle is alive, and beyond. This forum is not just a place to masturbate over someone making the Pro Bowl, who hasn’t even gotten into the “PLAYOFFS?!?!?” It’s a place where we can exchange our points of view about a team that has all the potential in the world to WIN IT ALL, and yet, is being run into a swamp of irrelevance. It’s just a game. As soon as many of us “log off”, we have lives outside of this multi-million dollar failing “entertainment” enterprise. He doesn't know about logging off because he never has. He just sits hitting the refresh button until he sees a response worth berating someone over. If he doesn't find one after about 5 minutes he just responds to himself multiple times. You will know on the rare occasion when he logs off because it’ll be preceded by weeks of bragging about some cheap ass cruise he's about to take. vpheughan, Sinner and K Major like this.
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03-02-2024, 04:42 PM	#143
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,874	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by The Dude He doesn't know about logging off because he never has. He just sits hitting the refresh button until he sees a response worth berating someone over. If he doesn't find one after about 5 minutes he just responds to himself multiple times. You will know on the rare occasion when he logs off because it’ll be preceded by weeks of bragging about some cheap ass cruise he's about to take. Between that and hitting the UN-IGNORE button, and spray painting his tutu and pom poms black and gold, he must be a busy man.
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03-02-2024, 04:55 PM	#144
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Klint Kubiak loves his tight ends and if Brock Bowers is there at 14 we should grab him. If not, there should be some good tackles left on the board. We need to prepare for Ram's retirement and/or Penning's limitations. Right now, I have zero confidence in our tackles.

03-03-2024, 05:03 AM	#145
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03-03-2024, 05:22 PM	#146
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ts-salary-cap/

03-03-2024, 06:36 PM	#147
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Kendrick Bourne A soon to be 29 year old coming off a ACL injury. 6 years in the league and 20 starts. No thanks Tyler Boyd got a lot on wear on him, turns 30 this year. His salary will be far higher than you want to pay on a short term player Jennings is the one of them 3. Don't sign old players Especially on back loaded deals

03-03-2024, 06:37 PM	#148
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Klint Kubiak loves his tight ends and if Brock Bowers is there at 14 we should grab him. If not, there should be some good tackles left on the board. We need to prepare for Ram's retirement and/or Penning's limitations. Right now, I have zero confidence in our tackles. Would be stupid to go TE imho. No point in offensive weapons if you can't keep tne QB off his backside. SaintFanInATLHELL and BakoSaint like this.

03-04-2024, 09:22 AM	#149
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ts-salary-cap/ The article doesn't match the title. The article talks about how his contract isn't as bad as some other blogger rated it.

03-04-2024, 11:36 AM	#150
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The article doesn't match the title. The article talks about how his contract isn't as bad as some other blogger rated it. His contract is not the worst part. Its the team that gave him the contract, what his contract means for us, with our cap situation. If any other team had given him the contract they could pull the rip cord and escape it before paying him $40 million 2025 or $50 million in 2026. The $50 million in 2026 was even discussed as not being real, effectively a void year, looking at the modest cost to bail on the deal at that point, which would be leverage to renegotiate at a more reasonable number if it was working out. But with the way the Saints manage the salary cap starting every year $100 million over the cap and restructuring every deal, we can't afford the dead cap that comes with pulling the rip cord on a deal this big, because that modest sum to get out of the deal if needed increases with every restructure. For any other team, Carr's contract would be a roll of the dice that is done in 2 years if it fails. For the Saints, its ride or die for the long term on Carr being elite, and that is what makes it a disaster. DeShaun Watson's deal is fully guaranteed, making it a disaster. The truth is that Derek Carr's deal is really fully guaranteed too, not because the language of the contract prevents Carr from ever being cut, but because the the state of the Saints salary cap and the way they manage it prevents him from ever being cut. But at least Watson's contract expires and the Browns will not be inquiring about an extension. With Carr, an extension in 2027 is highly probable to avoid what will be a $60 million or so dead cap hit at the time if he is not extended just after restructuring his 2025 $50 million salary to kick the can on another $40 million of it. MatthewT likes this.
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