BillyCarpenter1

BMG -- Like I told ya earlier -- At least I can respect that. Unlike some of the bashers who try to leave the door open -- just in case Brooks proves them wrong. Pretty weak

BlackandBlue

So who are these mystery men? I keep seeing references to them, but I don\'t have a clue who they are.

BillyCarpenter1

FWtex and WhoDat mainly although there are others. But of course they will say they aren\'t bashers. They say they just criticize. Do you think they are bashers? Just curious.

BlackandBlue

Not really, when I think of \"bashers\" I think of someone who would say something like, \"Aaron Brooks eats babies\" or something along those lines.
I said that this was AB\'s year to prove his worth, and so far I\'ve liked what I\'ve seen. If I think that someone is crucifying Brooks for no good reason (like last week, when someone mentioned that he continually threw behind his recievers- which was ignorant, he only did it twice) then I will call him out on it. However, I understand the trepidation some feel about his ability to make the right decisions and lead this team through adversity, which is warranted based on past performance, which is what the majority of the arguments you get into with others here is all about. It\'s entertaining to read, but neither side will win the argument, because we won\'t know for sure until the season is over.

The waiting drove me mad....
I don't want to hear from those that know...
Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed

Eddie is a....draftnik?

FWtex

LOL, Billie I thought my name would be in there but I have a little insurance on my side just for you. See I knew long ago this summer where you were going with your name calling and separistic posts.

Go back to everyone of my posts where AB was ever mentioned and you will find pretty much the same sentence somewhere in everyone of them. While you are at it give me some examples of my bashing that was not in response to comments you\'ve made first about AB.

JOESAM2002

Die post, die! Somebody pleeeeeeeeeeeeese kill this thing. It\'s killing me!








[Edited on 18/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

lumm0x

Just so you know why I chose McNabb guys....
he\'s the only name that saintsfan used to compare Brooks by his own accord

No one on here chose to look at McNabb and Brooks together until saintsfan did....

so since it was unjust to compare MacNabb and Brooks I wonder why Billy didn\'t call him out as he claims he will do whenever anyone posts unjustifiable comparisons??

Skirted my questions....skirted the whole WhoDat arguements and comes back with.....smack


yes, that is the opener and closer for all of your arguements Billy. You\'ll just talk smack until we get sick of arguing.....good plan.

BrooksMustGo

Psssst, New thread one down. I promise I was even more inflammatory in starting it. Honest.

BillyCarpenter1

LummOx -- I skirted nothing. I told you I didn\'t think comparing one QB to another was fair. It\'s not fair because arguements can be made on both sides to support any argument. Did you forget I told you that? Or, are you just frustrated I didn\'t fall into your trap you had been waiting to usleash? You sound a little frustrated it didn\'t work. Better luck next time.

FWtex -- Thanks for admitting you left an insurance policy in everyone of your posts just in case Brooks has a good year.

WhoDat -- Now, I\'m not sure where you stand on Brooks. Do you think Aaron has done well enough to be the Saints starting QB? Or, do you feel like he will never be good enough in the present system with the Saints? You seem to be sending out different messages. Which one is it?

B&B -- My arguement hasn\'t been that Aaron doesn\'t have to prove he can do the things some are crticizing him for. My arguement was that he deserves a chance to prove he can do it. You are right about no one is ever going to win this arguement. I\'ve known that for a long time now. I\'m just a glutten for punishment.

JoeSam -- This is my last response on this thread.


Now let me see if I can clear this up. If you guys are criticizing Brooks because you see some things he needs to improve in, then I agree. If you are critcizing just to be criticizing and suggesting that someone other than Brooks should be our QB and try to give me reasons to support that, then we don\'t see things the same way.

It seems to me that many on here were suggesting that Aaron should have been cut and either A.) Jake Delhomme should have replaced him or B.) You don\'t feel like Brooks is right for our system and I want another quarterback PERIOD.

Now it seems like you guys are telling me that you are willing to give him the \"Benifit of the Doubt\" and merely wanted to point out his weaknesses.

Right? Or am I still lost? Show me the light !!


On a side note: B&B -- This whole argument reminds me of trying to make a sale. You know how when you\'ve been working on a sale for a long time and the potential customer is on the fence? The potential customer just won\'t commit one way or the other on making the purchase. So we try to qualify the potential customer to see if they are indeed in the market to purchase or if they are just wasting both of our time. Ultimitely we need to know where they stand. By that I mean are they ready to buy NOW !! That\'s what I\'m trying to get out of this whole Brooks arguement. Are they ready to buy NOW. Are they interested in the product (Aaron Brooks). Or, do they think the product is inferior and want to purchase something else. I\'ve used every trick in the book with these guys and I still don\'t know where they stand.







[Edited on 18/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

WhoDat

To answer your question Billy - yes, and no.

Aaron Brooks shocked us all in late 2000 and showed us that he had all kinds of potential. The ensuing quarterback controversy that was created pinned him against Jeff Blake. I was one of the people supporting Brooks then. Why? Because I feel that he and Blake are basically the same type of QB with similar talents - and if a choice has to be made between those two, give me the young talented QB that I can groom and keep the older wiley backup to help teach the young guy and step in just in case.

So in that regard, yes, he did deserve and does deserve the starting job - as I have stated many times. However, I don\'t feel that he has progressed quickly enough, and the more I watch him the more I begin to doubt his ability to do a few things - I\'ve stated them a million times I\'m not going back into it. Additionally, our offense has changed - as you and saintfan readily point out.

To answer your earlier question - yes, I do think another quarterback could perform better in this system than Brooks. If that translates into more points for you, then yes, we could score more points. I\'m sure you\'re already thinking about targeting this portion of the post, but before you do, remember, YOU also agree that there are better QBs in this league then Brooks. If they are better, and you think the system doesn\'t matter, then they too could score more with the Saints.

So, why do I think he is wrong for the system? That\'s the real question right? It\'s simple. First, the principles of the system dictate that a quarterback needs to make good reads, good decisions, and get the ball out quickly and accurately. That is not one of Aaron Brooks\' strong points in my mind - and many people on this board agree. Secondly, there is only one team that has ever been able to successfully use a mobile QB in a system like ours - The 49ers. Steve Young and Jeff Garcia. Otherwise, every other team in the league at present that has a system like ours has a drop-back stand-up less mobile quick thinker at QB. Every one of them. So, are the Saints\' coaches just masterminds to the level of those in San Francisco - where they invented the offense and pumped out Pro Bowl Qb, after Pro Bowl QB (including our beloved Brooks I\'ll remind you)? History has shown that is obviously not the case.

I\'m not saying that because every other team is doing something that means we should - but damn, you can\'t argue with their results. All have been in serious contention in recent years while the Saints have been tanking and hanging around in limbo.

Yet again, (my lord I\'m a broken record), I do not think Brooks is a bad QB. He does make bad decisions more than I would like to see. He is the best option on this team right now, however I would still like to see the coaching staff go out and find someone to openly and unbiasedly compete with Brooks for the starting spot.

[Edited on 18/9/2003 by WhoDat]

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