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WhoDat · 09-17-2003, 10:17 PM

Wow Billy, you sure can\'t take it when someone asserts himself the same way you do daily on this board. I understand though.

Oh, as for my \"bias\", well I quickly looked at Brooks and the first QB on the list I gave you, Culpepper. Here are their career numbers:

Brooks
Completion Percentage - 55.8%
Efficiency Rating - 79.9

Culpepper
Completion Percentage - 62.3%
Efficiency Rating - 86.3

I would compare things like Yards and TDs - but you see Billy, Brooks has played fewer games, and thus to compare those raw numbers would be unfair to BROOKS b/c Culpepper has played more games, and will thusly have more yards and TDs.

I would guess the others would be similar. Further, we could compare things like winning percentage if you\'d like. Playoff appearences? NFC Championship appearences? What would you like to compare Billy? I can compare these guys on any numbers you throw out. As evidenced by this thread, you obviously cannot.

BlackandBlue · 09-17-2003, 10:26 PM

How in the world do you find these things? I\'m crying this is so funny.

[Edited on 18/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 10:27 PM

WhoDat --

Look buddy -- Get this through your head -- I don\'t care what stats you throw out there. Can you understand that? Aaron Brooks has done just fine. He\'s improved in some areas over the years and he still needs to improve in some others. For a guy that says he\'s not anit-Brooks i sure the hell can\'t tell.

You and others constantly bash the guy and I stand up for him. Your opinion and your foolish stats don\'t mean nothing to me. It all comes down to you explaining to me why Brooks shouldn\'t be our QB. Forget every other QB and judge him on what he has done himself. Can ya do that for me? Can ya? HUH?

If not then you got nothing. Now I have been civil with you and we can continue to do that or I can get on any level you would like. Got it?

WhoDat · 09-17-2003, 10:39 PM

BnB, I luv ya man. That is great, and I think it says it all.

Now, to Billy. I do not think Brooks is a bad QB. I use comparisons to other QBs as an example to A) show that he is not as good as you and others on this board make him out to be, and B) b/c comparison of your options is the best way to determine value (i.e. is Brooks worth the top 5 money that we\'re paying him?).

Brooks has played well compared to other former Saints quarterbacks. Of course, he is also getting paid more than any other Saints QB ever has, so he damn well better be playing better - don\'t you think? He has a strong arm. He has good mobility to buy time and find a throw, though his ability to scramble has dwindled significantly since his first season. So far this season he has played the best ball I\'ve seen him play. He is more efficient, and his completion percentage shows that. He still needs to show me he can be THE guy that the team rallies around. I\'d like to see him improve his accuracy, convince me that his head and heart are in every game, and do the little things.

Of the QBs on our team right now, he is undoubtedly the best. He is rightfully the starters. As far as NFL Qbs go, he is a decent choice. However, I continue to believe that this offense is better suited with a QB that plays a different type of game. That\'s been my opinion all along. Now - Brooks is coming along as a pocket passer, but he is doing so by being forced to ignore his natural instincts and abilities. He may become a good pocket passer, but I think there are better options out there if that\'s what the Saints are looking for. Again, I\'ve said this all along. How that translates into me being anti-brooks or a brooks basher is beyond me. Do I think the Saints could do better? Yes. Could they do worse? Yes. Brooks is a good QB - just not the right one for our team.

See that Billy? I made an argument in which I both criticize and compliment Brooks.

Uh, I almost forgot - you bill for classes is in the mail. I\'ll expect prompt payment for your schooling soon.

BrooksMustGo · 09-17-2003, 10:40 PM

Here\'s my NFL dreamteam QB roster in their order on the depth chart

1. Aaron \"the shoe huckster\" :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine:

2. Johnny Unitas

3. Joe Montana

WhoDat · 09-17-2003, 10:43 PM

BMG - well timed sarcasm will get you everywhere with me. LOL.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 10:45 PM

First off -- I have not said \"how great\" Brooks is. Second -- I\'ve never said there aren\'t better QB\'s out there. Third -- What you think about him not being a good QB for our system makes no sense -- They averaged over 30 pts a game last year. How many would another QB average -- 45? Brooks threw 27TD\'s -- How many is someone else going to throw -- 40? What defines a QB that is right for a system in your book? Completion percentage??

FWtex · 09-17-2003, 10:50 PM

WOW, I can\'t beleive this post is still alive. So much to say I am sure I will lose my train of thought before I get it all out.

Thanks for nothing Twinkie boy! I gave you the ammo to defend yourself with \"mentally challenged\" instead of retarded and you did not use it. What am I talking to here ... a wall?

I am curious if I am considered a Brooks basher? I have lots of posts to back up that I am not.

A pedophile? Where was you mind this morning? Or should I ask where your hands were? Never thought that bringing up \"twinkies\" would make you go to that extreme.

Note to everyone ... even god, if you say anything about brooks other than he is the best ever to play the game ... be prepared for Billie Twinkie to come down on you. Why is it we can say anything about Bellamy and it goes untouched but Brooks...
They both play for the saints, right?

Don\'t try to compare Brooks to anyone! he is in a class all to himself.

Personally I have given up trying to make sense of one un-named person on here. I just decided to make my logical sense and then see how red I can make his face. Can I be held liable if he crokes while reading B&G? Remind me to call my insurance agent in the morning.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 10:55 PM

FWtex -- What do you consider a basher?

BrooksMustGo · 09-17-2003, 11:03 PM

Maybe naming yourself BrooksMustGo?

09-17-2003, 10:17 PM	#81
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints Insiders? Wow Billy, you sure can\'t take it when someone asserts himself the same way you do daily on this board. I understand though. Oh, as for my \"bias\", well I quickly looked at Brooks and the first QB on the list I gave you, Culpepper. Here are their career numbers: Brooks Completion Percentage - 55.8% Efficiency Rating - 79.9 Culpepper Completion Percentage - 62.3% Efficiency Rating - 86.3 I would compare things like Yards and TDs - but you see Billy, Brooks has played fewer games, and thus to compare those raw numbers would be unfair to BROOKS b/c Culpepper has played more games, and will thusly have more yards and TDs. I would guess the others would be similar. Further, we could compare things like winning percentage if you\'d like. Playoff appearences? NFC Championship appearences? What would you like to compare Billy? I can compare these guys on any numbers you throw out. As evidenced by this thread, you obviously cannot.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-17-2003, 10:26 PM	#82
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Saints Insiders? How in the world do you find these things? I\'m crying this is so funny. [Edited on 18/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

09-17-2003, 10:27 PM	#83
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? WhoDat -- Look buddy -- Get this through your head -- I don\'t care what stats you throw out there. Can you understand that? Aaron Brooks has done just fine. He\'s improved in some areas over the years and he still needs to improve in some others. For a guy that says he\'s not anit-Brooks i sure the hell can\'t tell. You and others constantly bash the guy and I stand up for him. Your opinion and your foolish stats don\'t mean nothing to me. It all comes down to you explaining to me why Brooks shouldn\'t be our QB. Forget every other QB and judge him on what he has done himself. Can ya do that for me? Can ya? HUH? If not then you got nothing. Now I have been civil with you and we can continue to do that or I can get on any level you would like. Got it?
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-17-2003, 10:39 PM	#84
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints Insiders? BnB, I luv ya man. That is great, and I think it says it all. Now, to Billy. I do not think Brooks is a bad QB. I use comparisons to other QBs as an example to A) show that he is not as good as you and others on this board make him out to be, and B) b/c comparison of your options is the best way to determine value (i.e. is Brooks worth the top 5 money that we\'re paying him?). Brooks has played well compared to other former Saints quarterbacks. Of course, he is also getting paid more than any other Saints QB ever has, so he damn well better be playing better - don\'t you think? He has a strong arm. He has good mobility to buy time and find a throw, though his ability to scramble has dwindled significantly since his first season. So far this season he has played the best ball I\'ve seen him play. He is more efficient, and his completion percentage shows that. He still needs to show me he can be THE guy that the team rallies around. I\'d like to see him improve his accuracy, convince me that his head and heart are in every game, and do the little things. Of the QBs on our team right now, he is undoubtedly the best. He is rightfully the starters. As far as NFL Qbs go, he is a decent choice. However, I continue to believe that this offense is better suited with a QB that plays a different type of game. That\'s been my opinion all along. Now - Brooks is coming along as a pocket passer, but he is doing so by being forced to ignore his natural instincts and abilities. He may become a good pocket passer, but I think there are better options out there if that\'s what the Saints are looking for. Again, I\'ve said this all along. How that translates into me being anti-brooks or a brooks basher is beyond me. Do I think the Saints could do better? Yes. Could they do worse? Yes. Brooks is a good QB - just not the right one for our team. See that Billy? I made an argument in which I both criticize and compliment Brooks. Uh, I almost forgot - you bill for classes is in the mail. I\'ll expect prompt payment for your schooling soon.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-17-2003, 10:40 PM	#85
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Saints Insiders? Here\'s my NFL dreamteam QB roster in their order on the depth chart 1. Aaron \"the shoe huckster\" :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine: 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Joe Montana

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09-17-2003, 10:43 PM	#86
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints Insiders? BMG - well timed sarcasm will get you everywhere with me. LOL.
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09-17-2003, 10:45 PM	#87
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? First off -- I have not said \"how great\" Brooks is. Second -- I\'ve never said there aren\'t better QB\'s out there. Third -- What you think about him not being a good QB for our system makes no sense -- They averaged over 30 pts a game last year. How many would another QB average -- 45? Brooks threw 27TD\'s -- How many is someone else going to throw -- 40? What defines a QB that is right for a system in your book? Completion percentage??
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-17-2003, 10:50 PM	#88
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	Saints Insiders? WOW, I can\'t beleive this post is still alive. So much to say I am sure I will lose my train of thought before I get it all out. Thanks for nothing Twinkie boy! I gave you the ammo to defend yourself with \"mentally challenged\" instead of retarded and you did not use it. What am I talking to here ... a wall? I am curious if I am considered a Brooks basher? I have lots of posts to back up that I am not. A pedophile? Where was you mind this morning? Or should I ask where your hands were? Never thought that bringing up \"twinkies\" would make you go to that extreme. Note to everyone ... even god, if you say anything about brooks other than he is the best ever to play the game ... be prepared for Billie Twinkie to come down on you. Why is it we can say anything about Bellamy and it goes untouched but Brooks... They both play for the saints, right? Don\'t try to compare Brooks to anyone! he is in a class all to himself. Personally I have given up trying to make sense of one un-named person on here. I just decided to make my logical sense and then see how red I can make his face. Can I be held liable if he crokes while reading B&G? Remind me to call my insurance agent in the morning.
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370

09-17-2003, 10:55 PM	#89
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? FWtex -- What do you consider a basher?
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-17-2003, 11:03 PM	#90
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Saints Insiders? Maybe naming yourself BrooksMustGo?