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lumm0x · 09-17-2003, 01:58 PM

I\'m trying to tell you that if I said Aaron Brooks has one blue eye and one green eye you\'d snap because you sleep with his picture your pillow every night.

Bill, I\'m telling you that I feel the same way about Swilling and Payton and I\'m not calling you out for being that way. You could make all of those \"unfair\" comparisons you wanted and I\'d never believe nor accept any truth if you were focusing them towards \"my guys\".

I\'m simply making an observation, as a point to keep in mind in this whole Aaron Brooks debate, is that there isn\'t a wide margin between a critical observation and a bashing comment in your mind when it comes to Aaron Brooks. I know there are individuals that are as anti-Brooks as you are pro-Brooks, but why does that make them retarded....sorry mentally handicapped? I don\'t agree with them either but I don\'t fly off the handle name calling and questioning their intellegence.....why because they\'re not talking about Swilling/Payton. On almost every topic you used to debate you\'d take their evidence and refute it with evidence of your own. You\'ve done that to me many times, but when it comes to this one it\'s like we kicked your dog. The guys that are doing it to you now are likely doing it for the pleasure of what unfolds from the arguements and really may not even feel as strongly about what they are stating, but this is an entertainment just like Joe said. And there\'s a reason why...

Thus, the four words that my three rambling posts meant to express are -you have \"Brooks goggles\".

saintfan · 09-17-2003, 02:00 PM

Lumm0x --

I have no issues with a fair assesment of anyone\'s play...and that includes Brooks. I think a history of my posts would show that. I have issues with those who unfairly criticize Brooks, and you\'d have to be wearing filtering goggles not to see that. I won\'t mention names. I\'ll only say that the most \"AB\" critical individuals have been at it for a LONG time, and the more games he starts the more rediculous their posts become.

Research of posts on this board (and others) WILL show that those most critical of Brooks are those who thought Jake Delhomme should start. They were at their peak when Brooks was injured. As I\'ve said before...starting an injured player is a coaching choice but truthfully we all know that. Brooks, if fairly compared, should be commended for his willingness to play as other \"tough\" QB\'s around the leagure are, but instead it was held against him. Go figure. Those same individuals who harp on this statistic or that statistic won\'t have a stistical discussion regarding Jake Delhomme\'s HORRIBLE game against the bucs. It\'s not hard to figure out why.

No supporter of Brooks that I\'ve seen in here has given any indication that he was the second coming of Christ! We believe that he\'s a solid starter and that he shouldn\'t be benched due to any pea patch politics or home town cookin\'. Be fair...that\'s all, well, along with being honest. If Brooks isn\'t the \"right QB for our system\" then how is it this offense averaged damn near 30 points a game last year? Would the \"right\" QB have averaged 60? Surely you, and anyone else willing to be honest and fair, can see the flaw in that logic. People complain about the money the Saints pay Brooks cause he doesn\'t rank as a \"top 5\" QB. I think his touchdown passes were second last year...am I right? Points matter. \"Oh\", they\'ll say, \"he didn\'t have anything to do with that.\" \"It\'s because he has all those weapons.\" Well DUH, but as you said, the QB touches the ball on EVERY Play...he damn sure had something to do with it. Those same people who don\'t want to pay Brooks \"top 5\" money would be willing to pay exactly how much to have kept Jake Delhomme on the roster as as backup? You see my point yet?

When the statistical arguments fail the leadership card is played. Now, all these people will pull quotes outta their azzz, but none of those quotes are from players who are in the huddle with Brooks. Furthermore those players indicate that Brooks IS the leader. I don\'t know about you, but I\'m gonna believe the guy in the huddle before I\'m gonna believe some guy posting on a web site or some \"expert\" who\'s job is to create controversy in the name of TV ratings. How about you?

I\"ll be ready to bench ANYONE if that player hurts the Saints chances of winning. Brooks gives them the best chance at winning from the QB position than ANY QB the Saints have ever had on their Roster...period.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 02:09 PM

LummOx --

You just don\'t get it. I don\'t think Aaron Brooks should not be criticised. I don\'t think anyone shouldn\'t be criticised. You just seem to think anyone can say any old thing and it\'s OK. They could say the samethings about Deuce and I would defend him if I thought it was unfair. But, with you way of thinking -- \"It\'s all Good\" If you can\'t see that a lot of the criticism of Brooks is unjust then I hope you are never a judge.

unsaintly77 · 09-17-2003, 02:21 PM

I found something that is very similar about quincy and aaron, both there mothers are black and that is where there similarties end. As far as lummox and Bmg backing off there statements of aaron, stick to your guns through it all and come to the forum with an appetite this sunday, by the way does recievers and tight ends not catching the ball go against Aaron as well, because i guest you want to bash on him about them not catching, i counted a few this past sunday at houston, ernie conwell had two by halftime, donte had numerous at seattle.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 02:27 PM

Just to be fair to LummOx -- I would not consider LummOx a Brooks basher. He has criticised but that\'s OK. I have no problem with that. However, he did not throw out rediculous accusations and try to make unfair comparisions. That\'s why it\'s hard for me to understand why he can\'t see that a lot of the criticism is unfair.

I think LummOx might be under the impression that because myself and some others defend Brooks, that we think he is off limits. But, that\'s not the case at all. All I want is fairness and that\'s something the Brook\'s Bashers cannot do or they will be proven wrong.

lumm0x · 09-17-2003, 04:26 PM

Let\'s have a fair comparison then:

Would BillyC and saintfan agree that a fair comparison would be Donovan McNabb?

tweeky · 09-17-2003, 05:01 PM

Let\'s have a fair comparison then:

Would BillyC and saintfan agree that a fair comparison would be Donovan McNabb?

Just to stir it up... I saw McNabb on the sidelines as his team was getting pummelled.
He never smiled or laughed. He looked extremely pisssed off, quite concerned and angry. He was taking it personally.
He sucked, he knew it, and wasn\'t happy about it.

BrooksMustGo · 09-17-2003, 05:03 PM

I\'m befuddled, I have no idea how it is that my name gets lumped in with the \"bashers\" crowd?

I just want to see the Saints win

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-17-2003, 05:18 PM

I must admit you guys are coming around. I can hardly hear a whisper about the great Jake Delhomme anymore. Now, I call that real progress.

Most everyone isn\'t willing to commit to the idea that Brooks will not get it done this year. I understand. I really do. The season is here and it\'s kinda scary that all that smack you been talking might turn into \"Crow Soup\" or \"Humble Pie\"

Progress is indeed being made.

[Edited on 17/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BrooksMustGo · 09-17-2003, 05:25 PM

I\'m lifting this from the other thread.

I just want everyone to know that I\'m predicting big things this year.

Ok fine,

We win the division, we win the superbowl, Brooks becomes league MVP and sets the single season passing, rushing and touchdown record for a quarterback. Ends Warren Sapp\'s career with a stiff arm. Ends Keith Brooking\'s career by running over him in the second Saints/Falcons meeting and plays linebacker in the Carolina game and sacks Jake Delhomme 12 times and picks him off 8 before ripping his still beating heart from his chest and eating it before pitiful Jake expires on the turf. He legally changes his first name from Aaron to Kordell and slashes his way to glory. Is on the cover of SI, Madden 2005, and Chunky Soup all in the same week and goes into a coma after eating a Lucky Dog.

But plays all of next season from a wheelchair with and IV hooked into him and breaks all the records he set this season to easily repeat the superbowl victory. Is then inducted into the hall of fame on the spot and Benson signs over the management of the team to him and he becomes the first player/coach/gm/owner to lead his team to a 3rd consecutive superbowl win.

He then marries Tyra Banks and both of the Williams sisters to raise the next generation of great NFL quarterbacks and in 30 years every team in the league will be QB\'d by one of the Brooks brothers, except for the Saints who will have the only 67 year old pro bowl QB.

I did however really want to know if there is an anti- :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine: mood growing over in the front office or with the coaching staff.

09-17-2003, 01:58 PM	#41
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Saints Insiders? I\'m trying to tell you that if I said Aaron Brooks has one blue eye and one green eye you\'d snap because you sleep with his picture your pillow every night. Bill, I\'m telling you that I feel the same way about Swilling and Payton and I\'m not calling you out for being that way. You could make all of those \"unfair\" comparisons you wanted and I\'d never believe nor accept any truth if you were focusing them towards \"my guys\". I\'m simply making an observation, as a point to keep in mind in this whole Aaron Brooks debate, is that there isn\'t a wide margin between a critical observation and a bashing comment in your mind when it comes to Aaron Brooks. I know there are individuals that are as anti-Brooks as you are pro-Brooks, but why does that make them retarded....sorry mentally handicapped? I don\'t agree with them either but I don\'t fly off the handle name calling and questioning their intellegence.....why because they\'re not talking about Swilling/Payton. On almost every topic you used to debate you\'d take their evidence and refute it with evidence of your own. You\'ve done that to me many times, but when it comes to this one it\'s like we kicked your dog. The guys that are doing it to you now are likely doing it for the pleasure of what unfolds from the arguements and really may not even feel as strongly about what they are stating, but this is an entertainment just like Joe said. And there\'s a reason why... Thus, the four words that my three rambling posts meant to express are -you have \"Brooks goggles\".

09-17-2003, 02:00 PM	#42
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Saints Insiders? Lumm0x -- I have no issues with a fair assesment of anyone\'s play...and that includes Brooks. I think a history of my posts would show that. I have issues with those who unfairly criticize Brooks, and you\'d have to be wearing filtering goggles not to see that. I won\'t mention names. I\'ll only say that the most \"AB\" critical individuals have been at it for a LONG time, and the more games he starts the more rediculous their posts become. Research of posts on this board (and others) WILL show that those most critical of Brooks are those who thought Jake Delhomme should start. They were at their peak when Brooks was injured. As I\'ve said before...starting an injured player is a coaching choice but truthfully we all know that. Brooks, if fairly compared, should be commended for his willingness to play as other \"tough\" QB\'s around the leagure are, but instead it was held against him. Go figure. Those same individuals who harp on this statistic or that statistic won\'t have a stistical discussion regarding Jake Delhomme\'s HORRIBLE game against the bucs. It\'s not hard to figure out why. No supporter of Brooks that I\'ve seen in here has given any indication that he was the second coming of Christ! We believe that he\'s a solid starter and that he shouldn\'t be benched due to any pea patch politics or home town cookin\'. Be fair...that\'s all, well, along with being honest. If Brooks isn\'t the \"right QB for our system\" then how is it this offense averaged damn near 30 points a game last year? Would the \"right\" QB have averaged 60? Surely you, and anyone else willing to be honest and fair, can see the flaw in that logic. People complain about the money the Saints pay Brooks cause he doesn\'t rank as a \"top 5\" QB. I think his touchdown passes were second last year...am I right? Points matter. \"Oh\", they\'ll say, \"he didn\'t have anything to do with that.\" \"It\'s because he has all those weapons.\" Well DUH, but as you said, the QB touches the ball on EVERY Play...he damn sure had something to do with it. Those same people who don\'t want to pay Brooks \"top 5\" money would be willing to pay exactly how much to have kept Jake Delhomme on the roster as as backup? You see my point yet? When the statistical arguments fail the leadership card is played. Now, all these people will pull quotes outta their azzz, but none of those quotes are from players who are in the huddle with Brooks. Furthermore those players indicate that Brooks IS the leader. I don\'t know about you, but I\'m gonna believe the guy in the huddle before I\'m gonna believe some guy posting on a web site or some \"expert\" who\'s job is to create controversy in the name of TV ratings. How about you? I\"ll be ready to bench ANYONE if that player hurts the Saints chances of winning. Brooks gives them the best chance at winning from the QB position than ANY QB the Saints have ever had on their Roster...period.
	C'mon Man...

09-17-2003, 02:09 PM	#43
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? LummOx -- You just don\'t get it. I don\'t think Aaron Brooks should not be criticised. I don\'t think anyone shouldn\'t be criticised. You just seem to think anyone can say any old thing and it\'s OK. They could say the samethings about Deuce and I would defend him if I thought it was unfair. But, with you way of thinking -- \"It\'s all Good\" If you can\'t see that a lot of the criticism of Brooks is unjust then I hope you are never a judge.
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09-17-2003, 02:21 PM	#44
unsaintly77 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 15	Saints Insiders? I found something that is very similar about quincy and aaron, both there mothers are black and that is where there similarties end. As far as lummox and Bmg backing off there statements of aaron, stick to your guns through it all and come to the forum with an appetite this sunday, by the way does recievers and tight ends not catching the ball go against Aaron as well, because i guest you want to bash on him about them not catching, i counted a few this past sunday at houston, ernie conwell had two by halftime, donte had numerous at seattle.
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09-17-2003, 02:27 PM	#45
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? Just to be fair to LummOx -- I would not consider LummOx a Brooks basher. He has criticised but that\'s OK. I have no problem with that. However, he did not throw out rediculous accusations and try to make unfair comparisions. That\'s why it\'s hard for me to understand why he can\'t see that a lot of the criticism is unfair. I think LummOx might be under the impression that because myself and some others defend Brooks, that we think he is off limits. But, that\'s not the case at all. All I want is fairness and that\'s something the Brook\'s Bashers cannot do or they will be proven wrong.
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09-17-2003, 04:26 PM	#46
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Saints Insiders? Let\'s have a fair comparison then: Would BillyC and saintfan agree that a fair comparison would be Donovan McNabb?

09-17-2003, 05:01 PM	#47
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Saints Insiders? Let\'s have a fair comparison then: Would BillyC and saintfan agree that a fair comparison would be Donovan McNabb? Just to stir it up... I saw McNabb on the sidelines as his team was getting pummelled. He never smiled or laughed. He looked extremely pisssed off, quite concerned and angry. He was taking it personally. He sucked, he knew it, and wasn\'t happy about it.

09-17-2003, 05:03 PM	#48
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Saints Insiders? I\'m befuddled, I have no idea how it is that my name gets lumped in with the \"bashers\" crowd? I just want to see the Saints win

09-17-2003, 05:18 PM	#49
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Insiders? I must admit you guys are coming around. I can hardly hear a whisper about the great Jake Delhomme anymore. Now, I call that real progress. Most everyone isn\'t willing to commit to the idea that Brooks will not get it done this year. I understand. I really do. The season is here and it\'s kinda scary that all that smack you been talking might turn into \"Crow Soup\" or \"Humble Pie\" Progress is indeed being made. [Edited on 17/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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09-17-2003, 05:25 PM	#50
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Saints Insiders? I\'m lifting this from the other thread. I just want everyone to know that I\'m predicting big things this year. Ok fine, We win the division, we win the superbowl, Brooks becomes league MVP and sets the single season passing, rushing and touchdown record for a quarterback. Ends Warren Sapp\'s career with a stiff arm. Ends Keith Brooking\'s career by running over him in the second Saints/Falcons meeting and plays linebacker in the Carolina game and sacks Jake Delhomme 12 times and picks him off 8 before ripping his still beating heart from his chest and eating it before pitiful Jake expires on the turf. He legally changes his first name from Aaron to Kordell and slashes his way to glory. Is on the cover of SI, Madden 2005, and Chunky Soup all in the same week and goes into a coma after eating a Lucky Dog. But plays all of next season from a wheelchair with and IV hooked into him and breaks all the records he set this season to easily repeat the superbowl victory. Is then inducted into the hall of fame on the spot and Benson signs over the management of the team to him and he becomes the first player/coach/gm/owner to lead his team to a 3rd consecutive superbowl win. He then marries Tyra Banks and both of the Williams sisters to raise the next generation of great NFL quarterbacks and in 30 years every team in the league will be QB\'d by one of the Brooks brothers, except for the Saints who will have the only 67 year old pro bowl QB. I did however really want to know if there is an anti- :hallucine:Brooks:hallucine: mood growing over in the front office or with the coaching staff.
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