2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[Shoe.]

Originally Posted by jcp026

We can trade our first round pick, 15 overall and valued at 1050 points, to the 49ers for their first round pick, 31st overall and valued at 600 points, their second second round pick, 61st overall and valued at 292 points, and their second third round pick, 93rd overall and valued at 128 points. 1050 for 1020.

1(31) DL Jesse Williams (I'd love to have Ogletree but can't imagine him falling this far)
2(61) S Jonathan Cyprien (NFL Network said Jarvis Jones could get pushed out of the first, I'd take him if still available)
3(75) OLB Jamie Collins
3(93) OL Barrett Jones (Good players get pushed down when GMs try to outthink the room)
4(109) OT Jordan Mills
5(144) CB Tharold Simon
6(183) NT Kwame Geathers

I think there might be five starters in this group and all, in my opinion, would be able to contribute in year one.

This scenario would make me a very happy camper.

What do you guys think about DJ Fluker being able to transition to LT? Would he be a decent pick up at the end of the first if we were to trade back? I'm not one to be able to pick out the 'intangibles' on film, y'all obviously know much more about what you're looking at, but he looks pretty good to me and he's faced the best in the country for a few years now.

[lsutigerfan]

Originally Posted by jcp026

We can trade our first round pick, 15 overall and valued at 1050 points, to the 49ers for their first round pick, 31st overall and valued at 600 points, their second second round pick, 61st overall and valued at 292 points, and their second third round pick, 93rd overall and valued at 128 points. 1050 for 1020.

1(31) DL Jesse Williams (I'd love to have Ogletree but can't imagine him falling this far)
2(61) S Jonathan Cyprien (NFL Network said Jarvis Jones could get pushed out of the first, I'd take him if still available)
3(75) OLB Jamie Collins
3(93) OL Barrett Jones (Good players get pushed down when GMs try to outthink the room)
4(109) OT Jordan Mills
5(144) CB Tharold Simon
6(183) NT Kwame Geathersr

I think there might be five starters in this group and all, in my opinion, would be able to contribute in year one.

Going by your scenario, I'd go.....

1(31) Desmond Trufant
2(61) Alex Okafor
3(75) Brandon Williams
3(93) Barrett Jones
4(109) Zeke Motta
5(144) Cobi Hamilton
6(183) Dustin Hopkins

[lee909]

The problem is,that its a buyers market in terms of trading down this year.Everyone knows its a solid draft but not much difference in terms of quality from picks 13-70.
There are a few who looks slightly better but most years Mingo/Ansah/ Werner wouldn't be top 15 picks.Very few stand outs this year IMO
We would be looking at maybe 1-2 or 2-2-5 for our picks the way I see it.

[FinSaint]

Originally Posted by lee909

The problem is,that its a buyers market in terms of trading down this year.Everyone knows its a solid draft but not much difference in terms of quality from picks 13-70.
There are a few who looks slightly better but most years Mingo/Ansah/ Werner wouldn't be top 15 picks.Very few stand outs this year IMO
We would be looking at maybe 1-2 or 2-2-5 for our picks the way I see it.

Yeah I agree, the points scale for trading picks is nice and all, but it doesn't necessarily translate directly into real world.

In order for the Saints to get three picks, they probably have to hand in two of their own - I don't see anyone giving up more than a late 1st rounder and mid-to late 2nd rounder for #15 pick, and even that'll be hard to pull off.

[jeanpierre]

This is why I don't want Tharold Simon or Sam Montgomery...

[jcp026]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is why I don't want Tharold Simon or Sam Montgomery...

Uh oh. Amended draft:

1(31) DL Jesse Williams (I'd love to have Ogletree but can't imagine him falling this far)
2(61) S Jonathan Cyprien (NFL Network said Jarvis Jones could get pushed out of the first, I'd take him if still available)
3(75) OLB Jamie Collins
3(93) OL Barrett Jones (Good players get pushed down when GMs try to outthink the room)
4(109) OT Jordan Mills
5(144) NT Kwame Geathers
6(183) WR Brandon Kaufman

[lsutigerfan]

I didnt see a 3rd rounder. What I saw was two 2nd and a 6th which isnt enough. Now if its two 2nd rounders and a 3rd hell yeah I'd do it.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

I didnt see a 3rd rounder. What I saw was two 2nd and a 6th which isnt enough. Now if its two 2nd rounders and a 3rd hell yeah I'd do it.

My mistake LSUTiger in L.A.

Made an error while copy + paste but here is what is should have said...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Potential Trade Partners with two picks in the second round and Trade Values:

New Orleans - 1.15(15) [1050]

Cincinnati - 2.5(37)[530] (from OAK), 2.21(53) [370], 3.22(86) [160] = [1060]

Miami - 2.10(42) [480], 2.22(54) [360] (from IND), 3.15(47) [195], 3.20(52) [170]* = [1035]

*Miami 3.20 pick Not Included in Total Points

Wanted to Revisit Trading Down...

As much as I want Ogletree, we should be huddling with Cincy or Miami...

We could trade down and secure very fine talent at a number of positions...

Saints/Bengals Trade Scenario

Saints trade rights to RB Chris Ivory and pick 1.15 (15)

for

Bengals' picks 2.5(37), 2.21(53), and 3.15(47)

2013 Saint's Draft Mock (Jeanpierre)

[Updated 2013/04/05]

2.05 (37) LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia*

R2 Forfeit

2.21 (53) OL Barrett Jones, Bama

3.13 (75) LB Jaime Collins, So. Miss*

3.22 (86) OL Jordan Mills, Louisiana Tech

4.12 (109) LB Chase Thomas, Stanford

5.11 (144) DE Bennie Logan, LSU

6.15 (183) DT Kwame Geathers, Georgia

*Ogletree is currently trending at an average of 38th overall (He's a First Rounder To Me); if Ogletree isn't there as he shouldn't be, I'd select 2.05 (37) CB Jamar Taylor, Boise State OR as Hagan pointed out, CB Johnthan Banks, Miss St who would be a press coverage CB, but I suspect may go around pick 30 or in the first, second pick of the second round...

[jeanpierre]

Potential Trade Partners with two picks in the second round and Trade Values:

New Orleans - 1.15(15) [1050]

Cincinnati - 2.5(37)[530] (from OAK), 2.21(53) [370], 3.22(86) [160] = [1060]

Miami - 2.10(42) [480], 2.22(54) [360] (from IND), 3.15(47) [195], 3.20(52) [170]* = [1035]

*Miami 3.20 pick Not Included in Total Points

Trading Down, Miami Scenario...

As much as I want Ogletree, we should be huddling with Cincy or Miami...

We could trade down and secure very fine talent at a number of positions...

Saints/Bengals Trade Scenario

Saints trade rights to RB Chris Ivory and pick 1.15 (15)

for

Dolphins' picks 2.10 (42), 2.22 (54 from IND), 3.15 (77)

2013 Saint's Draft Mock (Jeanpierre)

[Updated 2013/04/09]

2.10 (42) CB David Amerson, NC State

R2 Forfeit

2.22 (54 from IND) LB Jaime Collins, So. Miss*

3.13 (75) OL Barrett Jones, Bama

3.15 (77) OT David Quessenberry, San Jose State

4.12 (109) LB Chase Thomas, Stanford

5.11 (144) DE Joe Kruger, Utah

6.15 (183) DT Kwame Geathers, Georgia

*Ogletree is currently trending at an average of 38th overall (He's a First Rounder To Me); if Ogletree isn't there as he shouldn't be, I'd select 2.10 (42) CB CB David Amerson, NC State who would be a press coverage CB, and his 6'2" 215# frame meets size specifications for an ideal cornerback (oh no he didn't)...

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

3.13 (75) OL Barrett Jones, Bama

3.15 (77) OT David Quessenberry, San Jose State

hmm interesting mix. Both are OL tweeners across the board. did you do this on purpose?