saintswhodi

Well, we lost those 8 games WITH Joe too right? I can\'t see how he is the difference maker. He was here when we were 4-8, although he did bail us out int hat Rams game. Terrible AB pass.

Howard missed 11 games year before last, maybe we can say our win-loss record is due to Howard? Deuce missed some games and played hurt this year. Maybe we can say we got some losses cause of that? I don\'t see how it can be definitively said Joe was the factor.

WhoDat

So next season, if Joe Horn gets hurt in the second week of the season and has to miss significant playing time, you can\'t see how that would effect the team more significantly than if Harrison got hurt? Really? You can\'t see that without Horn we\'re up a creek with Stallworth and Gardner, while the Colts wouldn\'t be hurting too badly with just Wayne and Stokely? That\'s hard for you to conceptualize?

WhoDat

I really can\'t believe that Whodi. I think you\'re just being difficult.

Who would you rather have?
Manning, James, Wayne, Stokely

OR

Brooks, McAllister, Stallworth, Gardner

Seems like a no brainer to me. There are 3 bona fide stars in the first group and a pretty solid potential starter in Stokely. There\'s one guy who is somewhere between a star and a solid starter in the second group in Deuce, assuming he stays healthy and fit. Thus, a Pro Bowl WR provides significant incremental value to the Saints, but not as much to the Colts. Would you disagree?

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GumboBC

Can you just not think clearly or do you choose to be that way, WhoDat?

I think you told me that without Deuce we would be screwed. Well, Deuce and our rushing offense finished 27th in rushing and we still had the same record as the past few years.

Yeah, I can see it now. Joe Horn goes down and we finish 8-8. And with Joe Horn what have we finished?

saintswhodi

Well next season, I am told the coaches want to get back to a run first, run oriented offense. I am also satisfied with Stallworth\'s progression, as much as that may put me in the minority. I don\'t think not having Joe Horn ends the Saints world.

But again, I would think I was talking about a playoff team here with all this gloom and doom if we don\'t have Joe or we don\'t have Howard. Hello, we don\'t make the playoffs with EITHER one. Why should I feel bad if we only win 6 games instead of 8 cause we don\'t have Joe Horn? Aren\'t we also up a creek if AB gets hurt? I want him gone, and YOU want him gone. Why should I clutch my blankie tight for fear of Horn being hurt or leaving? I don\'t do it for AB, I am not gonna do it for Horn. If he wants to play out this year and walk, have at it. If he gets hurt, well, it;s the same as him holding out. If he didn\'t mean it he shouldn\'t have said it. Bottom line.

saintswhodi

What kinda loaded question is that? You know damn well Peyton alone makes the first group better. Give me a break. If you said would I rather have Manning, Deuce, Stallworth and HENDERSON(why does everyone say Gardner) or Brooks, James, Wayne and Stokley, I am taking the group with Manning. Come on dude, you can do better than that.

WhoDat

Billy - just so we\'re real real real clear so when I quote you later you don\'t complain...

You\'re telling me that losing Joe Horn would not hurt the Saints at all? Essentially, our Pro Bowl WR is not valuable to the team, is completely expendable, and any guy could be plugged in and get the same results.

Am I misquoting your sentiment?