Who is the new BnG dealer?

FireVenturi · 03-15-2005, 03:23 PM

Well top 7-10 is fair because there are at least 6 WR\'s I would rather have on my team.

saintswhodi · 03-15-2005, 03:29 PM

Just 6? lol

CheramieIII · 03-15-2005, 06:32 PM

Hey Whodat, I\'m very sad I missed out on the crack, when was that being offered and can a brother get a lil bit.

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 06:40 PM

Don\'t ask me, I missed that boat too. Try Whoodi.

saintswhodi · 03-15-2005, 06:51 PM

You only get crack with common sense. Sorry Who, the boat sailed without you. :P

saintz08 · 03-16-2005, 12:37 AM

I don\'t know, maybe I\'m just crazy, but I can\'t understand how people can appear disappointed at the prospect of having Darren Howard, Joe Horn, and Deuce McAllister on our team next season.

Hasbeen at the helm with his make shift Brooks pampering offensive coordinator , should make us all question their talent levels ......

Three cheers to the Saints PR department though , those guys could sell tickets to a second sinking of the SS Titanic ....

[Edited on 16/3/2005 by saintz08]

jnormand · 03-16-2005, 12:53 AM

I think Whodat is just saying that it\'s not a terrible thing to keep those players. It\'s not going to hurt the team. I would like to keep Horn and LeCharles and Duece. The Saints will probably work the contracts this offseason...I hope. As far as Howard goes. I think hes a great player, but for the money he wants and the players we need, he can\'t stay. Smith and Grant are a good tandum. I don\'t think it\'s bad to keep Howard if a trade can\'t be done, however, I think it would be better for the overall team if we could get a good LB or some picks for him.

LKelley67 · 03-16-2005, 08:30 AM

excuse me for questioning your reasoning normand but maybe that is the sort of dichotomy that is necessary to be a saints fan...

positive-

not a terrible thing to keep those players

negative-

for the money he wants and the players we need, he can\'t stay.

positive-

I don\'t think it\'s bad to keep Howard

if there was no smith or grant it would be no issue. $8+mil is too much but he would be da man and earn his pay. if he would be $2-4mil the 3 stud de rotation would even be viable. spending 10% on your entire team payroll on a non-fulltime player is no way to win in today\'s nfl cap environment. it is flat out he has got to go. i think it would be more prudent to take a 3rd rd pick than keep him. i think other teams know this too. this is their leverage in negotiating. they all want to go lowball but still want him too.

i always find myself referring to the pats on these cap issues, they are the first true dynasty of the cap era. i believe their cap management has been as great or greater key to success as the on the field performance. there are many examples with them but just this off season they released wr troy brown (how much more of a gamer-team player and performer could ya ask for?) and other wr david patten (18 ypc), and wr david givens is out there as a RFA. that leaves deion branch (35rec) and bethel johnson (10rec). how can a team let these guys go?! they were vital cogs the past few years and surely earned their pay. it is because what they produce/contribute could no longer justify what their evolving market value had become. this same reasoning carries over perhaps more succinctly into the joe horn longterm contract debates.

the oldtime cowboy/raider/49er pre-cap dynasties are a thing of the past. it is no longer simply which team that has the most talent wins most consistently. it is which team that can get the most talent onto the field for $85million. of course, you have to have the coaching to get the performance out of that talent too. that is another whole snag with this organization. i will add as much as i believe moving howard is a must-do philosophically i have little faith that this fo will use that cap cash in the best way to facilitate the team winning now. they will use some for deuce-horn-bentley contracts. i would not be surprised if again on opening day (as $11mil last year) the saints are more under the cap than any other team. it is just the nature of an owner who is money-first (the head of the nfl finance committee) and a gm who comes from bean counting not football talent evaluating.

there, now for cup-o-java #2

no_cloning · 03-16-2005, 09:11 AM

What\'s the downside of keeping Howard for this year only?
a) He ties up 8 million in cap money, which the Saints may or may not use if he is traded.
b) He wasn\'t traded for a LB.
c) He wasn\'t traded for a 3rd round pick.

Did the front office try to trade him for a linebacker?
I believe so. I would prefer a trade, but if you can\'t get a fair deal, do what\'s best for the team - and that may just be to keep Howard and try to trade him again next year.

That being said, I would still be shocked to see Howard in a Saints uniform this season. 7.8 million dollars, cap or not, is a lot of Benson\'s money.

Agreeing to deals with Bentley and McAllister has to be the priority before next season. \"I pity the fool\" who has to negotiate with Horn\'s agent and I seriously doubt he will stay in New Orleans.

CheramieIII · 03-16-2005, 07:56 PM

Someone mentions crack and nobody can deliver, I\'m very disappointed. Well maybe next year during open enrollment.

I got the munchies Dude, a brother had to replace the crack.

03-15-2005, 03:23 PM	#11
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03-16-2005, 12:53 AM	#17
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Who is the new BnG dealer? I think Whodat is just saying that it\'s not a terrible thing to keep those players. It\'s not going to hurt the team. I would like to keep Horn and LeCharles and Duece. The Saints will probably work the contracts this offseason...I hope. As far as Howard goes. I think hes a great player, but for the money he wants and the players we need, he can\'t stay. Smith and Grant are a good tandum. I don\'t think it\'s bad to keep Howard if a trade can\'t be done, however, I think it would be better for the overall team if we could get a good LB or some picks for him.

03-16-2005, 08:30 AM	#18
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Who is the new BnG dealer? excuse me for questioning your reasoning normand but maybe that is the sort of dichotomy that is necessary to be a saints fan... positive- not a terrible thing to keep those players negative- for the money he wants and the players we need, he can\'t stay. positive- I don\'t think it\'s bad to keep Howard if there was no smith or grant it would be no issue. $8+mil is too much but he would be da man and earn his pay. if he would be $2-4mil the 3 stud de rotation would even be viable. spending 10% on your entire team payroll on a non-fulltime player is no way to win in today\'s nfl cap environment. it is flat out he has got to go. i think it would be more prudent to take a 3rd rd pick than keep him. i think other teams know this too. this is their leverage in negotiating. they all want to go lowball but still want him too. i always find myself referring to the pats on these cap issues, they are the first true dynasty of the cap era. i believe their cap management has been as great or greater key to success as the on the field performance. there are many examples with them but just this off season they released wr troy brown (how much more of a gamer-team player and performer could ya ask for?) and other wr david patten (18 ypc), and wr david givens is out there as a RFA. that leaves deion branch (35rec) and bethel johnson (10rec). how can a team let these guys go?! they were vital cogs the past few years and surely earned their pay. it is because what they produce/contribute could no longer justify what their evolving market value had become. this same reasoning carries over perhaps more succinctly into the joe horn longterm contract debates. the oldtime cowboy/raider/49er pre-cap dynasties are a thing of the past. it is no longer simply which team that has the most talent wins most consistently. it is which team that can get the most talent onto the field for $85million. of course, you have to have the coaching to get the performance out of that talent too. that is another whole snag with this organization. i will add as much as i believe moving howard is a must-do philosophically i have little faith that this fo will use that cap cash in the best way to facilitate the team winning now. they will use some for deuce-horn-bentley contracts. i would not be surprised if again on opening day (as $11mil last year) the saints are more under the cap than any other team. it is just the nature of an owner who is money-first (the head of the nfl finance committee) and a gm who comes from bean counting not football talent evaluating. there, now for cup-o-java #2

03-16-2005, 09:11 AM	#19
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	Who is the new BnG dealer? What\'s the downside of keeping Howard for this year only? a) He ties up 8 million in cap money, which the Saints may or may not use if he is traded. b) He wasn\'t traded for a LB. c) He wasn\'t traded for a 3rd round pick. Did the front office try to trade him for a linebacker? I believe so. I would prefer a trade, but if you can\'t get a fair deal, do what\'s best for the team - and that may just be to keep Howard and try to trade him again next year. That being said, I would still be shocked to see Howard in a Saints uniform this season. 7.8 million dollars, cap or not, is a lot of Benson\'s money. Agreeing to deals with Bentley and McAllister has to be the priority before next season. \"I pity the fool\" who has to negotiate with Horn\'s agent and I seriously doubt he will stay in New Orleans.
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03-16-2005, 07:56 PM	#20
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Who is the new BnG dealer? Someone mentions crack and nobody can deliver, I\'m very disappointed. Well maybe next year during open enrollment. I got the munchies Dude, a brother had to replace the crack.