Who is the new BnG dealer?

WhoDat · 03-17-2005, 11:33 AM

But top 7 is OK?

Who do you pay top 5 money to? Guys with top 5 talent? David Boston\'s agent is doing him right then. LOL.

GumboBC · 03-17-2005, 11:34 AM

WhoDat --

Surly you don\'t think Joe Horn is in the same class as Marvin Harrison? Based on what? STATS?!

Hey, I love stats. But, I\'m not ignorant. I\'ve watched Marvin make catches that Joe Horn never made on his best day. I\'ve watched Marvin out-run CBs for a TD where Joe would have gotten tackled for a 10-yard gain.

Joe Horn has overachieved considering where he started at in his career. But, so what? That\'s not the point.

The point is Joe Horn wants to be paid like Marvin Harrison. When Joe becomes a \"game-changing\" receiver like Marin, then that\'s when he deserves to be paid like him. That aint never gonna happen.

Also, Joe doesn\'t command the attention that a Marvin Harrison or a Terrell Owens does. Those guys draw double teams and make the receivers around them better. Does Joe Horn do that? If you\'re honest ... the answer would be NO!

saintswhodi · 03-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Who would pay Joe top 7 money? I wouldn\'t pay him top 15 money. It would be all incentives with a decent bonus. That\'s it. Suck it up Joe or see what the open market brings you. You aren\'t irreplaceable, well except to WhoDat. The Vikes can trade Randy Moss, the best receiver of this era, in his prime, but Joe Horn should be considered untouchable. THAT is unreal. :casstet:

BlackandBlue · 03-17-2005, 12:11 PM

I\'ve watched Marvin make catches that Joe Horn never made on his best day.

Really? When? I\'ve seen Horn make TD catches on one bad leg, jumping up because AB can\'t hit his receiver in stride, and have his legs knocked out from under him by the defender, and manage to still hold onto the ball and score the touchdown.

I\'ve watched Marvin out-run CBs for a TD where Joe would have gotten tackled for a 10-yard gain.

Harrison has a QB that makes catching the ball in stride a helluvalot easier than Horn\'s ever had. So I wouldn\'t doubt this at all.

Also, Joe doesn\'t command the attention that a Marvin Harrison or a Terrell Owens does. Those guys draw double teams and make the receivers around them better. Does Joe Horn do that? If you\'re honest ... the answer would be NO!

Actually, I\'ll be honest, with the answer being \"yes\". You can be blind as a bat, and still hear the announcers talking about Horn being under double coverage. Stallworth thanks God above that he\'s lining up across from Horn, cause it makes him that much better a receiver. But Horn\'s still the #1 guy on this team.

Memories fade, but I am completely baffled by your entire post. Weed must be readily available down in the gulf coast.

[Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

GumboBC · 03-17-2005, 12:16 PM

BlackandBlue --

Yeah, but our Gulf Coast weed must not be nearly as good as that stuff in Dallas. Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison.

You and WhoDat smokin\' the same stuff, B&B? Lay off the weed, guys!

saintfan · 03-17-2005, 12:18 PM

Weed must be readily available down in the gulf coast.

And I moved to Dallas...go figure. :realmad:

BlackandBlue · 03-17-2005, 02:00 PM

Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison.

Can you count how many Colts games you\'ve seen on more than one hand?

Hmm, maybe I should be asking how many Saints games you\'ve watched.

BTW, congrats to you Gumbo at finding yet another topic that will get under other members skin. Regardless of whether or not you truly believe your statements, way to stick it to the man! :thumbsup:

[Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

GumboBC · 03-17-2005, 02:10 PM

Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison.

Can you count how many Colts games you\'ve seen on more than one hand?

Hmm, maybe I should be asking how many Saints games you\'ve watched.

BTW, congrats to you Gumbo at finding yet another topic that will get under other members skin. Regardless of whether or not you truly believe your statements, way to stick it to the man! :thumbsup:

[Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

You FINALLY take a stand on SOMETHING. And when you do .. you try to say Horn is as good as Marvin Harrison.

PLEASE !! Marvin has a good chance to make the hall of fame. Wonder if ol\' Joe Horn does?

Just stop while you\'re not too far behind, BlackandBlue. :casstet:

WhoDat · 03-17-2005, 02:19 PM

I point to stats and numbers.
B&B uses anecdotal evidence.

Billy says nuh-uh!

Tough call.

But Billy is right about one thing. Marvin Harrison has produced better results than any WR in the league over the past 6 seasons. He deserves the contract he just got. Joe Horn hasn\'t produced that well. He\'s produced the FIFTH best numbers. Marvin, at the same age as Joe, just got a 7 year 67 million dollar contract. Good point Billy, you\'re really debunking this whole argument by pointing to WRs who got huge contracts at the same age as Joe who have a diminishing role on their teams and whose production is in the same ball park as Horn\'s.

GumboBC · 03-17-2005, 02:27 PM

I point to stats and numbers.
B&B uses anecdotal evidence.

Billy says nuh-uh!

Tough call.

But Billy is right about one thing. Marvin Harrison has produced better results than any WR in the league over the past 6 seasons. He deserves the contract he just got. Joe Horn hasn\'t produced that well. He\'s produced the FIFTH best numbers. Marvin, at the same age as Joe, just got a 7 year 67 million dollar contract. Good point Billy, you\'re really debunking this whole argument by pointing to WRs who got huge contracts at the same age as Joe who have a diminishing role on their teams and whose production is in the same ball park as Horn\'s.

Hey, I\'m not going to get caught up in your foolishness.

I REALLY don\'t care if you think Joe Horn deserves to be paid in the top 5 range for receivers.

You\'re entitled to your opinion. So, is B&B. Are you two guys lovers or something? LMAO!! It\'s like when I battle one of you the other is never far behind .. LOL

03-17-2005, 11:33 AM	#31
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03-17-2005, 11:34 AM	#32
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who is the new BnG dealer? WhoDat -- Surly you don\'t think Joe Horn is in the same class as Marvin Harrison? Based on what? STATS?! Hey, I love stats. But, I\'m not ignorant. I\'ve watched Marvin make catches that Joe Horn never made on his best day. I\'ve watched Marvin out-run CBs for a TD where Joe would have gotten tackled for a 10-yard gain. Joe Horn has overachieved considering where he started at in his career. But, so what? That\'s not the point. The point is Joe Horn wants to be paid like Marvin Harrison. When Joe becomes a \"game-changing\" receiver like Marin, then that\'s when he deserves to be paid like him. That aint never gonna happen. Also, Joe doesn\'t command the attention that a Marvin Harrison or a Terrell Owens does. Those guys draw double teams and make the receivers around them better. Does Joe Horn do that? If you\'re honest ... the answer would be NO!
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03-17-2005, 11:47 AM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Who is the new BnG dealer? Who would pay Joe top 7 money? I wouldn\'t pay him top 15 money. It would be all incentives with a decent bonus. That\'s it. Suck it up Joe or see what the open market brings you. You aren\'t irreplaceable, well except to WhoDat. The Vikes can trade Randy Moss, the best receiver of this era, in his prime, but Joe Horn should be considered untouchable. THAT is unreal. :casstet:

03-17-2005, 12:11 PM	#34
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Who is the new BnG dealer? I\'ve watched Marvin make catches that Joe Horn never made on his best day. Really? When? I\'ve seen Horn make TD catches on one bad leg, jumping up because AB can\'t hit his receiver in stride, and have his legs knocked out from under him by the defender, and manage to still hold onto the ball and score the touchdown. I\'ve watched Marvin out-run CBs for a TD where Joe would have gotten tackled for a 10-yard gain. Harrison has a QB that makes catching the ball in stride a helluvalot easier than Horn\'s ever had. So I wouldn\'t doubt this at all. Also, Joe doesn\'t command the attention that a Marvin Harrison or a Terrell Owens does. Those guys draw double teams and make the receivers around them better. Does Joe Horn do that? If you\'re honest ... the answer would be NO! Actually, I\'ll be honest, with the answer being \"yes\". You can be blind as a bat, and still hear the announcers talking about Horn being under double coverage. Stallworth thanks God above that he\'s lining up across from Horn, cause it makes him that much better a receiver. But Horn\'s still the #1 guy on this team. Memories fade, but I am completely baffled by your entire post. Weed must be readily available down in the gulf coast. [Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]
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03-17-2005, 12:16 PM	#35
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who is the new BnG dealer? BlackandBlue -- Yeah, but our Gulf Coast weed must not be nearly as good as that stuff in Dallas. Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison. You and WhoDat smokin\' the same stuff, B&B? Lay off the weed, guys!
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03-17-2005, 12:18 PM	#36
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03-17-2005, 02:00 PM	#37
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Who is the new BnG dealer? Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison. Can you count how many Colts games you\'ve seen on more than one hand? Hmm, maybe I should be asking how many Saints games you\'ve watched. BTW, congrats to you Gumbo at finding yet another topic that will get under other members skin. Regardless of whether or not you truly believe your statements, way to stick it to the man! :thumbsup: [Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

03-17-2005, 02:10 PM	#38
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who is the new BnG dealer? Cause, you\'re out of your freakin\' mind if you think Joe Horn is anywhere close to Marvin Harrison. Can you count how many Colts games you\'ve seen on more than one hand? Hmm, maybe I should be asking how many Saints games you\'ve watched. BTW, congrats to you Gumbo at finding yet another topic that will get under other members skin. Regardless of whether or not you truly believe your statements, way to stick it to the man! :thumbsup: [Edited on 17/3/2005 by BlackandBlue] You FINALLY take a stand on SOMETHING. And when you do .. you try to say Horn is as good as Marvin Harrison. PLEASE !! Marvin has a good chance to make the hall of fame. Wonder if ol\' Joe Horn does? Just stop while you\'re not too far behind, BlackandBlue. :casstet:
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03-17-2005, 02:19 PM	#39
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who is the new BnG dealer? I point to stats and numbers. B&B uses anecdotal evidence. Billy says nuh-uh! Tough call. But Billy is right about one thing. Marvin Harrison has produced better results than any WR in the league over the past 6 seasons. He deserves the contract he just got. Joe Horn hasn\'t produced that well. He\'s produced the FIFTH best numbers. Marvin, at the same age as Joe, just got a 7 year 67 million dollar contract. Good point Billy, you\'re really debunking this whole argument by pointing to WRs who got huge contracts at the same age as Joe who have a diminishing role on their teams and whose production is in the same ball park as Horn\'s.
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03-17-2005, 02:27 PM	#40
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Who is the new BnG dealer? I point to stats and numbers. B&B uses anecdotal evidence. Billy says nuh-uh! Tough call. But Billy is right about one thing. Marvin Harrison has produced better results than any WR in the league over the past 6 seasons. He deserves the contract he just got. Joe Horn hasn\'t produced that well. He\'s produced the FIFTH best numbers. Marvin, at the same age as Joe, just got a 7 year 67 million dollar contract. Good point Billy, you\'re really debunking this whole argument by pointing to WRs who got huge contracts at the same age as Joe who have a diminishing role on their teams and whose production is in the same ball park as Horn\'s. Hey, I\'m not going to get caught up in your foolishness. I REALLY don\'t care if you think Joe Horn deserves to be paid in the top 5 range for receivers. You\'re entitled to your opinion. So, is B&B. Are you two guys lovers or something? LMAO!! It\'s like when I battle one of you the other is never far behind .. LOL
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