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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by spkb25 Uh Hint: The number one offense put up 13 points against the Giants and a Whopping 11 points against the Bucs. Those losses are clearly on the offense for not scoring enough Against the Chief Drew ...

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Old 01-05-2017, 07:09 PM   #1
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Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED

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Uh Hint: The number one offense put up 13 points against the Giants and a Whopping 11 points against the Bucs. Those losses are clearly on the offense for not scoring enough

Against the Chief Drew threw and Int for a Td, Mark had two fumbles and one of those were within the Chiefs 20 yard line if memory serves. Clearly the loss was on the offense for 3 turnovers, one that led to 7 points without the D ever stepping on the field.

Aginst the Broncos Drew threw and Int and Thomas had two fumbles. The Broncos started inside our 40 once and inside our 30 twice. That led to 13 points. That is the offenses fault. The D even got like 2 or 3 turnovers against the broncos, what hell you want from them?

Against the Panthers the Offense only scored 20 points and Brees fumbled leaving the Panthers on our 32 and led to a FG. Then Drew threw an INT and let the Panthers start on our 34. That led to a TD. Too many turnovers by the offense again. I think the longest Panther's drive all night was 51 yards.


That is called analysis, that is called embarrassing you. Those are facts not a bunch of hyperbole and dimwitted comical comments meant to make it look like your scoring points.

Everyone recognizes the success the offense has had, and no one is pretending that our 25th ranked defense was better than the offense, but there were games the offense did not show up or that they flat out cost us. ST may have contributed as well, but these 5 games are solely on the offense for either too many turnovers or not enough points. Even when you couple it with ST, there was no reason for us to lose without the turnovers or lack of points.
Again, you're stating the offense struggled in a few games. Wow, that's some primo analysis on your part.

If you think the offense is the problem, I just don't know what to tell you. All the analysis available points to the defense being much worse than the offense.


Our offense struggled in 3 to 4 games.
Our defense struggled in 10 to 12 games.

WTF am I missing?
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:15 PM   #2
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Again, you're stating the offense struggled in a few games. Wow, that's some primo analysis on your part.

If you think the offense is the problem, I just don't know what to tell you. All the analysis available points to the defense being much worse than the offense.


Our offense struggled in 3 to 4 games.
Our defense struggled in 10 to 12 games.

WTF am I missing?
Didn't address one fact made about those 5 games, exactly. That's called passively accepting defeat.

Now you're changing the topic.So let me get you back on topic.

The point I made was simply this, it did not extend further:

The Offense was responsible for 5 of our losses.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:28 PM   #3
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Didn't address one fact made about those 5 games, exactly. That's called passively accepting defeat.

Now you're changing the topic.So let me get you back on topic.

The point I made was simply this, it did not extend further:

The Offense was responsible for 5 of our losses.
Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:31 PM   #4
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Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game
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Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
The blocked PAT would have never happened or wouldn't have mattered if the Offense didn't keep the game close by turning the ball over 4 times. 3 of those in our own half.

It's just like 2011 playoffs all over again, the offense turns the ball over 5 times versus the 49ers but somehow people still blame the D because they couldnt hold.
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Old 01-05-2017, 11:57 PM   #5
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The blocked PAT would have never happened or wouldn't have mattered if the Offense didn't keep the game close by turning the ball over 4 times. 3 of those in our own half.

It's just like 2011 playoffs all over again, the offense turns the ball over 5 times versus the 49ers but somehow people still blame the D because they couldnt hold.

I'm sure there was never a resolution in these pages since. These people just want a top defense and half Drew for a SB.
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Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
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Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
First I am glad to see you're slowly stopping your argument and now challenging me on two games verse all of them. Either way you're still wrong. You're not wrong in your premise that the offense has less blame than the defense for the entire season, that you're right about, but you're completely wrong that these 5 losses are not on the offense.

They scored 13 points against the Giants, that is their fault. Yes ST contributed, but that is their fault. All they needed to do was score 17 points bro, for Christ sakes their the number one offense in the league, wtf they cant get more than 13 frigan points, really?

The offense had 4 turnovers against the Broncos. One of those turnovers was when we were driving for points. The other three were 1 inside our 40 and 2 inside our 20. That led to 13 points. The blocked XP becomes irrelevant if not for the offensive mistakes

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Didn't address one fact made about those 5 games, exactly. That's called passively accepting defeat.

Now you're changing the topic.So let me get you back on topic.

The point I made was simply this, it did not extend further:

The Offense was responsible for 5 of our losses.
You can't expect the offense to be superman all the time. That's why you have to have a good defense. A good defense will pick up the slack when the offense is not playing it's best. ie, Denvers defense in 2015 and the Super Bowl. Payton Manning was done. It was Denver's defense that shut down fig Newton and won that Super Bowl. If the Saints had a defense like that you wouldn't need to blame the offense because they didn't play lights out 100 percent of the time.
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You can't expect the offense to be superman all the time. That's why you have to have a good defense. A good defense will pick up the slack when the offense is not playing it's best. ie, Denvers defense in 2015 and the Super Bowl. Payton Manning was done. It was Denver's defense that shut down fig Newton and won that Super Bowl. If the Saints had a defense like that you wouldn't need to blame the offense because they didn't play lights out 100 percent of the time.
The offense is to blame for those 5 losses. Plain and simple.
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The offense is to blame for those 5 losses. Plain and simple.
Who's to blame for your tunnel vision???
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