2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints

jeanpierre · 03-04-2018, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Doesn’t look like Leighton Vander Esch will fall past 20 with these measurables...

Leighton Vander Esch
HT: 6-4 1/4
WT: 256 lbs.
Arms: 33 7/8”
40-yard: 4.65
Vert: 39.5”
Broad: 10’4”
SS: 4.15
3-Cone: 6.88

That right there was the magic number - he may even go Top 15 now...

jeanpierre · 03-04-2018, 05:44 PM

jeanpierre · 03-04-2018, 05:47 PM

Hagan and I always looked to the occasional Tulane prospect; we're dinosaurs of a by-gone era when Tulane Football was respectable, a tough out...

...he'd be drooling over this guy that I've had in my groupings...

jeanpierre · 03-05-2018, 02:12 AM

So I'm really admiring Shaquem Griffin's brave combine performance, then reality sets in for me...

NFL defenses rarely shut down opposing offenses, it's about turnovers, and this is where I'm forseeing a problem for Griffin...

So I go to College Football Reference for his collegiate turnover statistics and I get quite the surprise...

From 2013-2017 (includes a red shirt season where he only played three games his first two seasons), he did this:

Forced Fumbles - Five (5)
Fumble Recoveries - Four (4)
FR returned for TD - One (1)

and yes,

Three (3) career interceptions, one ea his SO, JU, SR seasons...

along with 18.5 career sacks, all from his JU, SR seasons...

ICYMI, he suffered a prenatal injury (umbilical cord wrapped around his wrist, restricting blood flow, development)...

Yes, his missing hand is going to be an issue at the NFL level where the parity of the talent really is that tight...

But he can do so many other things that I just don't see him on the board after the fourth round now...

jeanpierre · 03-05-2018, 08:41 AM

ChrisXVI · 03-05-2018, 07:52 PM

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...n-rarified-air

Harold Landry's combine performance shows he belongs in rarified air...

Harold Landry’s 6.88-second 3-cone at 252-pounds puts him in rarified air for top prospects. Below is every single 250-plus pound defensive lineman drafted in the first round that had a sub-6.9-second 3-cone:

DeMarcus Ware
J.J. Watt
David Pollack
Melvin Ingram
Joey Bosa
T.J. Watt

jeanpierre · 03-06-2018, 01:50 AM

Wow. Was expecting to see a wiry linebacker like a Ted Hendricks or Jack Lambert type. Vander Esch definitely has more muscle definition since last season...

jeanpierre · 03-06-2018, 07:09 AM

2018 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects (Updated 2018/03/06)

Round 1
No. 27 (R1, 27) LB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise St.; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 245 lbs.
No. 27 (R1, 27) DT Taven Bryan, Florida; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 295 lbs.
No. 27 (R1, 27) NT Harrison Phillips, Stanford; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 303 lbs.
No. 27 (R1, 27) CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 192 lbs.
No. 27 (R1, 27) SS Justin Reid, Stanford; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 204 lbs.

Round 2
This pick traded with 2017 NFL Draft R7, #229 to San Francisco via Chicago for Pick 2017 NFL Draft R3, #67) used to select RB Alvin Kamara 2017 ROTY
No. 59 (R2, 27) C Frank Ragnow, Arkansas; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 319 lbs.
No. 59 (R2, 27) TE Mike Gesicki, Penn St.; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 250 lbs.
No. 59 (R2, 27) WR D.J. Chark; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 196 lbs.
No. 59 (R2, 27) NT Tim Settle, Virginia Tech; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 335 lbs.
No. 59 (R2, 27) DE Rasheem Green, USC; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 275 lbs.

Round 3
No. 91 (R3, 27) RT Alex Cappa, Humboldt St.; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 309 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) TE Dalton Schultz, Stanford; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 242 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) LG Braden Smith, Auburn; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 303 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) LB Josey Jewell, Iowa; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 236 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) SS Kyzir White, West Virginia; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 216 lbs.

Round 4
No. 127 (R4, 27) QB Kyle Lauletta, Richmond; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 219 lbs.
No. 127 (R4, 27) SS Terrell Edmunds, Hawaii; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 220 lbs.
No. 127 (R4, 27) DT B. J. Hill, NC State; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 331 lbs.
No. 127 (R4, 27) LB Fred Warner, BYU; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 227 lbs.
No. 127 (R4, 27) DE Marcell Frazier, Missouri; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 261 lbs.

Round 5
No. 147 (R5, 11) Traded LB Stephone Anthony to Miami for this pick
No. 147 (R5, 11) OG Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 311 lbs.
No. 147 (R5, 11) RB Roc Thomas, Jacksonville St.; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 189 lbs.
No. 147 (R5, 11) TE Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 248 lbs.
No. 147 (R5, 11) CB Kameron Kelly, San Diego St.; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 200 lbs.
No. 147 (R5, 11) SS Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 204 lbs.

No. 164 (R5, 27) WR Dylan Cantrell, Texas Tech; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 212 lbs.
No. 164 (R5, 27) LB Jack Cichy, Wisconsin; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 236 lbs. (+)
No. 164 (R5, 27) RG Colby Gossett, Appalachian St.; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 320 lbs.
No. 164 (R5, 27) CB M.J. Stewart, UNC; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 198 lbs.
No. 164 (R5, 27) FS Natrell Jamerson; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 200 lbs.

Round 6
No. 189 (R6, 15) Traded RB Adrian Peterson to Arizona for this pick
No. 189 (R6, 15) CB Michael Joseph, Dubuque; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 189 lbs.
No. 189 (R6, 15) TE Ryan Izzo, Florida St.; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 245 lbs.
No. 189 (R6, 15) LG Taylor Hearn, Clemson; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 320 lbs.
No. 189 (R6, 15) DE Kylie Fitts, Utah; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 259 lbs. (+)
No. 189 (R6, 15) SS Jarrod Franklin, Tulane; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 205 lbs.

No. 201 (R6, 27) CB Taron Johnson, Weber St.; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 189 lbs.
No. 201 (R6, 27) DE Ade Aruna, Tulane; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 265 lbs.
No. 201 (R6, 27) SS Kyle Queiro, Northwestern; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 219 lbs.
No. 201 (R6, 27) LG Cole Madison, Washington; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 314 lbs.
No. 201 (R6, 27) WR Jake Wieneke, South Dakota St.; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 215 lbs.

Round 7
No. 245 (R7, 27) RT Nick Gates, Nebraska; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 295 lbs.
No. 245 (R7, 27) DE Justin Lawler, SMU; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 266 lbs.
No. 245 (R7, 27) WR Trey Quinn, SMU; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 245 (R7, 27) LB Nick DeLuca, North Dakota St.; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 243 lbs.
No. 245 (R7, 27) SS Cole Reyes, North Dakota; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 216 lbs.

K Major · 03-06-2018, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

2018 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects (Updated 2018/03/06)

Round 3
No. 91 (R3, 27) RT Alex Cappa, Humboldt St.; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 309 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) TE Dalton Schultz, Stanford; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 242 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) LG Braden Smith, Auburn; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 303 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) LB Josey Jewell, Iowa; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 236 lbs.
No. 91 (R3, 27) SS Kyzir White, West Virginia; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 216 lbs.

Round 3 ... this is where legit, impact type players (see Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Kareem Hunt, possibly Alex Anzalone etc) are sometimes buried in the draft. I think Ireland finds another gem here.

There is a lot to like about Kyzir White. I like his style of play ... a lot.

ChrisXVI · 03-06-2018, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Round 3 ... this is where legit, impact type players (see Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Kareem Hunt, possibly Alex Anzalone etc) are sometimes buried in the draft. I think Ireland finds another gem here.

There is a lot to like about Kyzir White. I like his style of play ... a lot.

With an extra 5th and 6th round pick I can 100% guarantee we’ll be trading up in the 3rd round. Looking at the trade value charts, if we package picks 147 and 189 we can move up to the 10th pick of the 3rd round. Kyzir White is exactly who I would target too if he’s still available.

03-04-2018, 05:44 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Doesn’t look like Leighton Vander Esch will fall past 20 with these measurables... Leighton Vander Esch HT: 6-4 1/4 WT: 256 lbs. Arms: 33 7/8” 40-yard: 4.65 Vert: 39.5” Broad: 10’4” SS: 4.15 3-Cone: 6.88 That right there was the magic number - he may even go Top 15 now...

03-04-2018, 05:47 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Hagan and I always looked to the occasional Tulane prospect; we're dinosaurs of a by-gone era when Tulane Football was respectable, a tough out... ...he'd be drooling over this guy that I've had in my groupings... Twitter

03-05-2018, 02:12 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints So I'm really admiring Shaquem Griffin's brave combine performance, then reality sets in for me... NFL defenses rarely shut down opposing offenses, it's about turnovers, and this is where I'm forseeing a problem for Griffin... So I go to College Football Reference for his collegiate turnover statistics and I get quite the surprise... From 2013-2017 (includes a red shirt season where he only played three games his first two seasons), he did this: Forced Fumbles - Five (5) Fumble Recoveries - Four (4) FR returned for TD - One (1) and yes, Three (3) career interceptions, one ea his SO, JU, SR seasons... along with 18.5 career sacks, all from his JU, SR seasons... ICYMI, he suffered a prenatal injury (umbilical cord wrapped around his wrist, restricting blood flow, development)... Yes, his missing hand is going to be an issue at the NFL level where the parity of the talent really is that tight... But he can do so many other things that I just don't see him on the board after the fourth round now...
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03-05-2018, 08:41 AM	#5
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03-06-2018, 01:50 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Wow. Was expecting to see a wiry linebacker like a Ted Hendricks or Jack Lambert type. Vander Esch definitely has more muscle definition since last season... Twitter

03-05-2018, 07:52 PM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...n-rarified-air Harold Landry's combine performance shows he belongs in rarified air... Harold Landry’s 6.88-second 3-cone at 252-pounds puts him in rarified air for top prospects. Below is every single 250-plus pound defensive lineman drafted in the first round that had a sub-6.9-second 3-cone: DeMarcus Ware J.J. Watt David Pollack Melvin Ingram Joey Bosa T.J. Watt

03-06-2018, 07:09 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints 2018 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects (Updated 2018/03/06) Round 1 No. 27 (R1, 27) LB Leighton Vander Esch, Boise St.; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 245 lbs. No. 27 (R1, 27) DT Taven Bryan, Florida; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 295 lbs. No. 27 (R1, 27) NT Harrison Phillips, Stanford; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 303 lbs. No. 27 (R1, 27) CB Jaire Alexander, Louisville; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 192 lbs. No. 27 (R1, 27) SS Justin Reid, Stanford; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 204 lbs. Round 2 This pick traded with 2017 NFL Draft R7, #229 to San Francisco via Chicago for Pick 2017 NFL Draft R3, #67) used to select RB Alvin Kamara 2017 ROTY No. 59 (R2, 27) C Frank Ragnow, Arkansas; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 319 lbs. No. 59 (R2, 27) TE Mike Gesicki, Penn St.; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 250 lbs. No. 59 (R2, 27) WR D.J. Chark; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 196 lbs. No. 59 (R2, 27) NT Tim Settle, Virginia Tech; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 335 lbs. No. 59 (R2, 27) DE Rasheem Green, USC; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 275 lbs. Round 3 No. 91 (R3, 27) RT Alex Cappa, Humboldt St.; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 309 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) TE Dalton Schultz, Stanford; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 242 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) LG Braden Smith, Auburn; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 303 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) LB Josey Jewell, Iowa; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 236 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) SS Kyzir White, West Virginia; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 216 lbs. Round 4 No. 127 (R4, 27) QB Kyle Lauletta, Richmond; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 219 lbs. No. 127 (R4, 27) SS Terrell Edmunds, Hawaii; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 220 lbs. No. 127 (R4, 27) DT B. J. Hill, NC State; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 331 lbs. No. 127 (R4, 27) LB Fred Warner, BYU; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 227 lbs. No. 127 (R4, 27) DE Marcell Frazier, Missouri; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 261 lbs. Round 5 No. 147 (R5, 11) Traded LB Stephone Anthony to Miami for this pick No. 147 (R5, 11) OG Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 311 lbs. No. 147 (R5, 11) RB Roc Thomas, Jacksonville St.; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 189 lbs. No. 147 (R5, 11) TE Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 248 lbs. No. 147 (R5, 11) CB Kameron Kelly, San Diego St.; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 200 lbs. No. 147 (R5, 11) SS Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 204 lbs. No. 164 (R5, 27) WR Dylan Cantrell, Texas Tech; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 212 lbs. No. 164 (R5, 27) LB Jack Cichy, Wisconsin; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 236 lbs. (+) No. 164 (R5, 27) RG Colby Gossett, Appalachian St.; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 320 lbs. No. 164 (R5, 27) CB M.J. Stewart, UNC; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 198 lbs. No. 164 (R5, 27) FS Natrell Jamerson; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 200 lbs. Round 6 No. 189 (R6, 15) Traded RB Adrian Peterson to Arizona for this pick No. 189 (R6, 15) CB Michael Joseph, Dubuque; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 189 lbs. No. 189 (R6, 15) TE Ryan Izzo, Florida St.; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 245 lbs. No. 189 (R6, 15) LG Taylor Hearn, Clemson; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 320 lbs. No. 189 (R6, 15) DE Kylie Fitts, Utah; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 259 lbs. (+) No. 189 (R6, 15) SS Jarrod Franklin, Tulane; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 205 lbs. No. 201 (R6, 27) CB Taron Johnson, Weber St.; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 189 lbs. No. 201 (R6, 27) DE Ade Aruna, Tulane; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 265 lbs. No. 201 (R6, 27) SS Kyle Queiro, Northwestern; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 219 lbs. No. 201 (R6, 27) LG Cole Madison, Washington; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 314 lbs. No. 201 (R6, 27) WR Jake Wieneke, South Dakota St.; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 215 lbs. Round 7 No. 245 (R7, 27) RT Nick Gates, Nebraska; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 295 lbs. No. 245 (R7, 27) DE Justin Lawler, SMU; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 266 lbs. No. 245 (R7, 27) WR Trey Quinn, SMU; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 202 lbs. No. 245 (R7, 27) LB Nick DeLuca, North Dakota St.; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 243 lbs. No. 245 (R7, 27) SS Cole Reyes, North Dakota; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 216 lbs.
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03-06-2018, 03:21 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre 2018 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects (Updated 2018/03/06) Round 3 No. 91 (R3, 27) RT Alex Cappa, Humboldt St.; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 309 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) TE Dalton Schultz, Stanford; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 242 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) LG Braden Smith, Auburn; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 303 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) LB Josey Jewell, Iowa; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 236 lbs. No. 91 (R3, 27) SS Kyzir White, West Virginia; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 216 lbs. Round 3 ... this is where legit, impact type players (see Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Kareem Hunt, possibly Alex Anzalone etc) are sometimes buried in the draft. I think Ireland finds another gem here. There is a lot to like about Kyzir White. I like his style of play ... a lot.

03-06-2018, 03:31 PM	#10
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Round 3 ... this is where legit, impact type players (see Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Kareem Hunt, possibly Alex Anzalone etc) are sometimes buried in the draft. I think Ireland finds another gem here. There is a lot to like about Kyzir White. I like his style of play ... a lot. With an extra 5th and 6th round pick I can 100% guarantee we’ll be trading up in the 3rd round. Looking at the trade value charts, if we package picks 147 and 189 we can move up to the 10th pick of the 3rd round. Kyzir White is exactly who I would target too if he’s still available.

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