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AsylumGuido 02-19-2020 03:31 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880275)
We really do.

Maybe coach was trying to prove there was nothing wrong with Kamara but there was something wrong with Kamara. Sprinkle in that Taysom went nuts in the run game but coach didn't stay committed to him.

And for whatever reason, our defense gets injured a lot down the stretch & lost guys at CB.

Pat Mahommes would have lit us up.

Snake bit.
That is the best description. Winning in the playoffs involves a great deal of luck. It has not been on our side recently, but at least we are putting ourselves in position to give it a chance. Almost every other franchise would love to be in our position. We are getting VERY spoiled as fans.

K Major 02-20-2020 07:14 AM
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https://149346005.v2.pressablecdn.co...y-Anderson.jpg

NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space.

The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20.

Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played..

https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/

K Major 02-20-2020 07:18 AM
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^^^ on the list of FA ..

Keep an eye on Perriman, Thuney & Scherff.

If we made one big "splash" this off season... Cory Littleton - LB.

st thomas 02-20-2020 08:52 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880310)
https://149346005.v2.pressablecdn.co...y-Anderson.jpg

NFL free agency begins March 18th. Currently, the Saints sit at $9.3 million available but Mickey Loomis is a wizard, very creative when it comes to finding cap space.

The Black and Gold may target a wide receiver to team with Michael Thomas. At cornerback Eli Apple may or may not be afforded a new deal while Janoris Jenkins could be released to free up $11 million and P.J. Williams may also have a new address for ’20.

Andrus Peat, still just 26 years old, played..

https://crescentcitysports.com/free-...st-the-saints/

Just the players on defense that probably move on or not resign will dismantle the defense enough to go into suck mode fast.
Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say.


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K Major 02-20-2020 09:04 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 880313)
Like the cat says we can’t afford 90% of the players listed. So believe in the draft I say.


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But we have the Mickster :cool:.

https://i.imgur.com/WRv3REq.gif

st thomas 02-20-2020 09:11 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880314)
But we have the Mickster :cool:.



https://i.imgur.com/WRv3REq.gif


Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate.
I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF


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lee909 02-20-2020 10:07 AM
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So to sign players the team will have to push everything down the road. And dont start with the cap is rising, its rising for 31 other teams and players salaries are going through the roof. My fear with this is the team is going to risk 5 years for one more shot with Drew. The cap space the team have is going to pretty much go to Drews and everything else if going to be creatively made to try and bring back some players.

jeanpierre 02-20-2020 10:30 AM
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AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 11:21 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 880316)
Looks like an old benson car commercial . Yes the mickster can just keep piling it up for later years to deal with it’s a scam I say mate.
I’m gonna say it again the Houston Texans have 54 million in cap space and they went further in the playoffs than us . WTF


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The AFC was also far weaker in overall competition. It was easier to advance further.

st thomas 02-20-2020 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 880329)
The AFC was also far weaker in overall competition. It was easier to advance further.


We could argue that all day AG
AFC
Chiefs - Super Bowl champions
Baltimore
Tennessee
Pats
Buffalo
NFC
San Fran - Super Bowl losers
Green Bay
Seattle
Vikes
Saints



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AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 880319)
So to sign players the team will have to push everything down the road. And dont start with the cap is rising, its rising for 31 other teams and players salaries are going through the roof. My fear with this is the team is going to risk 5 years for one more shot with Drew. The cap space the team have is going to pretty much go to Drews and everything else if going to be creatively made to try and bring back some players.
A lower percentage of the cap is attributed to Brees than was the case five years ago. You can't look at an individual salary in a vacuum. And, as I mentioned several times before, that percentage of the total cap declines each year as the cap rises annually. There more you can push off to the future the better. And that future dead money attributed to Brees will all be "earned" money and not "unearned" money as in the case of players cut or traded.

Far too much importance is placed upon the cap by fans and media.

jeanpierre 02-20-2020 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 880331)
A lower percentage of the cap is attributed to Brees than was the case five years ago. You can't look at an individual salary in a vacuum. And, as I mentioned several times before, that percentage of the total cap declines each year as the cap rises annually. There more you can push off to the future the better. And that future dead money attributed to Brees will all be "earned" money and not "unearned" money as in the case of players cut or traded.

Far too much importance is placed upon the cap by fans and media.
In other words, they keep moving the goal posts for those of us who're football first guys and are overwhelmed with financial numbers...

Budsdrinker 02-20-2020 02:19 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 880331)
A lower percentage of the cap is attributed to Brees than was the case five years ago. You can't look at an individual salary in a vacuum. And, as I mentioned several times before, that percentage of the total cap declines each year as the cap rises annually. There more you can push off to the future the better. And that future dead money attributed to Brees will all be "earned" money and not "unearned" money as in the case of players cut or traded.

Far too much importance is placed upon the cap by fans and media.
Also, the hope and what should be reality, when we do draft Brees' replacement, his rookie contract should only attribute $4-5 million to the cap to offset any leftover from Brees. One thing common with some of the last few SB winners, they have QB's on rookie contracts so they can spend elsewhere. We're seeing what happens in Seattle once Wilson got paid QB money and in 2021 we'll see what happens to KC once Mahomes gets paid. 2020 is his last year on rookie contract with base salary of $735,000 and cap hit of $5.2 mil.

K Major 02-20-2020 02:24 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 880350)
Also, the hope and what should be reality, when we do draft Brees' replacement, his rookie contract should only attribute $4-5 million to the cap to offset any leftover from Brees.
Hopefully, that's this year.

It's time to develop the future @ QB in New Orleans.

AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880348)
In other words, they keep moving the goal posts for those of us who're football first guys and are overwhelmed with financial numbers...
Yeah, pretty much. I think we are all fans of the game being played on the field. Some of us are also fans of the personnel side of things. That has never really interested me much at all. The financial side of things is a different matter. To me that is fascinating. The economics involved is unique in many ways, yet true to theory in many others.

I can't wait to see all of the economic opportunities coming with the new CBA. The numbers we are seeing today are going to be dwarfed in the next decade.

Don't forget that the highest paid player 30 years ago was Joe Montana with an annual salary of $3.25 million. In ten years QB salaries will commonly top $50 million per year and the popularity will be even greater than it is today.

vpheughan 02-20-2020 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 880350)
Also, the hope and what should be reality, when we do draft Brees' replacement, his rookie contract should only attribute $4-5 million to the cap to offset any leftover from Brees. One thing common with some of the last few SB winners, they have QB's on rookie contracts so they can spend elsewhere. We're seeing what happens in Seattle once Wilson got paid QB money and in 2021 we'll see what happens to KC once Mahomes gets paid. 2020 is his last year on rookie contract with base salary of $735,000 and cap hit of $5.2 mil.
In the case of the Chiefs this year. Mahomes ($735,000) and Tyreek Hill's ($820,000) combined base salaries was less than their backup QB Chad Henne ($3,350,000) and Punter Dustin Colquitt ($1,950,000)!!
,

AsylumGuido 02-20-2020 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 880368)
In the case of the Chiefs this year. Mahomes ($735,000) and Tyreek Hill's ($820,000) combined base salaries was less than their backup QB Chad Henne ($3,350,000) and Punter Dustin Colquitt ($1,950,000)!!
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And your point is what?

:confused:

jeanpierre 02-21-2020 10:23 AM
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jeanpierre 02-21-2020 10:24 AM
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Look, AG...

https://media.giphy.com/media/e7Fdp0v1fZgti/giphy.gif

jeanpierre 02-22-2020 01:09 AM
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halloween 65 02-22-2020 06:56 AM
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Talk about a good rotation up front add Harrison to it.

ChrisXVI 02-23-2020 09:52 AM
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I’m starting to think we might re-sign Andrus Peat much to the chagrin of Saints nation. The only better LG option in free agency is Joe Thuney and if he doesn’t re-sign with the Pats he’ll probably end up in Miami where they’re flush with cap space and have a former Patriot coach.

jeanpierre 02-23-2020 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880500)
I’m starting to think we might re-sign Andrus Peat much to the chagrin of Saints nation. The only better LG option in free agency is Joe Thuney and if he doesn’t re-sign with the Pats he’ll probably end up in Miami where they’re flush with cap space and have a former Patriot coach.
Sign Brandon Scherff to Right Guard, move Warford...

ChrisXVI 02-23-2020 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880502)
Sign Brandon Scherff to Right Guard, move Warford...
I just don’t see it happening. With Ron Rivera in town I think there’s renewed player interest to be a Redskin... they’ve even patched things up with Trent Williams and have him willing to come back. With $60 mil in cap space I don’t see Scherff going anywhere.

K Major 02-23-2020 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880500)
I’m starting to think we might re-sign Andrus Peat much to the chagrin of Saints nation. The only better LG option in free agency is Joe Thuney and if he doesn’t re-sign with the Pats he’ll probably end up in Miami where they’re flush with cap space and have a former Patriot coach.
RE SIGN Peat? At what cost? No way the Saints organization will over pay for an average GUARD. Let some other dumb team do that. There are plenty of avenues to replace Andrus. I'm sick of watching DT's and Linebackers steam roll him en route to sacking my QB or getting him injured (see Rams) in games.

The way Nick Easton performed when AP was out spoke volumes.

I just don't understand why our coaches (Sean Payton) try to make Peat happen - especially in the wildcard game vs Vikings. When he went out and Easton came in for a couple of plays, our offensive line improved significantly.

The stubbornness of letting Peat back in to play contributed to that loss.

If the plan is to bring back Peat this off season, expect the same results once the opponent gets meaner, stronger in the post season.

ChrisXVI 02-23-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880504)
RE SIGN Peat? At what cost? No way the Saints organization will over pay for an average GUARD. Let some other dumb team do that. There are plenty of avenues to replace Andrus. I'm sick of watching DT's and Linebackers steam roll him en route to sacking my QB or getting him injured (see Rams) in games.

The way Nick Easton performed when AP was out spoke volumes.

I just don't understand why our coaches (Sean Payton) try to make Peat happen - especially in the wildcard game vs Vikings. When he went out and Easton came in for a couple of plays, our offensive line improved significantly.

The stubbornness of letting Peat back in to play contributed to that loss.

If the plan is to bring back Peat this off season, expect the same results once the opponent gets meaner, stronger in the post season.
I hear ya, but when Peat was good to go he was clearly favored by the coaches over Easton. There is no better realistic option in free agency. I suppose it’s possible that we pencil in Easton and trade up in the draft to get our guy like we did with McCoy.

jeanpierre 02-23-2020 01:52 PM
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Chris, sadly your assessment may be spot on of the Saints FO, but I'd be as frustrated with K Major if we didn't go all-in with Scherff; Warford is overpaid for the production and didn't get it done...

ChrisXVI 02-23-2020 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880510)
Chris, sadly your assessment may be spot on of the Saints FO, but I'd be as frustrated with K Major if we didn't go all-in with Scherff; Warford is overpaid for the production and didn't get it done...
I imagine Scherff at the very least gets the franchise tag. Ron Rivera learned in Carolina the value of protecting your QB.

K Major 02-23-2020 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880513)
I imagine Scherff at the very least gets the franchise tag. Ron Rivera learned in Carolina the value of protecting your QB.
No one knows for sure what direction Riverboat wants to go with his current roster & he doesn't even know if Brandon truly wants to remain a Redskin. Daniel Snyder's front office has a way of doing this a** backwards.

You could very easily see a Rivera led front office & staff say so long to a guy they've never coached … a player who has missed 15 games in 2018-19.

Too be continued ..

K Major 02-24-2020 09:33 AM
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It appears slot WR Danny Amendola is re signing with Detroit.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ons-agent-says

K Major 02-25-2020 08:55 AM
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Assuming Brandon S & Joe T are out of the Saints price range ...

Wonder if they would consider a "splash" at CB ? There is a lot of speculation up this way that Byron Jones is all but done in a Cow uniform. He's a solid #2 CB IMO.

This is assuming that we don't retain Janoris and/or Eli Apple this off season.

Just a thought.

st thomas 02-25-2020 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880602)
Assuming Brandon S & Joe T are out of the Saints price range ...

Wonder if they would consider a "splash" at CB ? There is a lot of speculation up this way that Byron Jones is all but done in a Cow uniform. He's a solid #2 CB IMO.

This is assuming that we don't retain Janoris and/or Eli Apple this off season.

Just a thought.


I could give a rats asre anymore about money I willing to sell the farm for Drew Brees and the saints to get another SB in 2020


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jeanpierre 02-25-2020 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880602)
Assuming Brandon S & Joe T are out of the Saints price range ...

Wonder if they would consider a "splash" at CB ? There is a lot of speculation up this way that Byron Jones is all but done in a Cow uniform. He's a solid #2 CB IMO.

This is assuming that we don't retain Janoris and/or Eli Apple this off season.

Just a thought.
I'd think the top CBs in FA would be more expensive than the top Gs...

If it came to that, rather roll with our secondary as is, move back in second round, get a rookie CB; but sign Scherff and make Offensive Line Elite-Legendary...

jeanpierre 02-25-2020 09:29 AM
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I'd sign him for the Payton/Lombardi School of Quarterback to resurrect his career...

K Major 02-25-2020 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880605)
I'd sign him for the Payton/Lombardi School of Quarterback to resurrect his career...
Who JP?

I'm not seeing the write up/picture embedded on my PC.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880607)
Who JP?

I'm not seeing the write up/picture embedded on my PC.
There was a tweet with url on a good write-up that the Bears may move on from Mitchell Trubisky already...

It was a honest assessment of Trubisky on what he's done right, wrong, and how the Bears bungled it, rightly criticizing Bears HC Matt Nagy...

If Trubisky found himself a FA, I felt he make a great reserve for us...

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:26 AM
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Wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Ogletree...

K Major 02-26-2020 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880678)
Wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Ogletree...

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...02017396711424
I would too.

Solid in coverage and defends the run well.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880682)
I would too.

Solid in coverage and defends the run well.
Read the article on his production? turnovers? Remember wanting to draft this guy badly; one of the first times Hagan challenged me to "sell him" on Ogletree...

K Major 02-26-2020 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880683)
Read the article on his production? turnovers? Remember wanting to draft this guy badly; one of the first times Hagan challenged me to "sell him" on Ogletree...
He's played at an All Pro level for some time.

Really like Anzalone but I don't think he'll remain healthy when it matters most (playoff run) & no certainty we retain AJ Klein & Kiko A.

Demario really needs a solid compliment. Who knows, Ogletree could be that guy.


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